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The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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> You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. Why would you buy a pipe at Home Depot? A gun barrel is not a firearm, and is not required to be registered or serialized. You can drive to Arizona or Nevada and buy an actual barrel, with rifling, manufactured to meet well-known specifications, without showing an ID.…

Like everything in the United States, it’s actually gun manufacturers that want to clamp down on this cottage industry which threatens their profits. I don’t buy for a second that this is some gun control attempt.

Look up Everytown for Gun Safety, they are behund this...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20251027/from-printers-to-pa...

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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This is the organization behind this...

https://everytownresearch.org/report/printing-violence-urgen...

>Lawmakers can take aggressive action to spur change in this area and help prevent the printing of 3DPFs. The most comprehensive solutions would apply nationwide, and Congress should work immediately to pass the innovative laws described here. But even without federal action, state policymakers can take meaningful action to curtail 3DPFs.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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> Like everything in the United States, it’s actually gun manufacturers that want to clamp down on this cottage industry which threatens their profits. I have 0 reason to believe this. That is some pretty wild speculation, and a terribly risky proposition for any company because they would instantly get blackballed by the 2a community.

I think a fundamental problem here is that people who don’t know any 2A/RKBA people think it’s like most political opinions. Oh, you’re a gun guy, you’re a Republican who like country music and hates them black folk. It isn’t. It’s a group of people, some of whom are country-music-loving Republicans who hate them black folk, but who also include a lot of them black folk, a lot of Democrats, and a lot of people who ha…

> I think a fundamental problem here is that people who don’t know any 2A/RKBA people think it’s like most political opinions. Oh, you’re a gun guy, you’re a Republican who like country music and hates them black folk.

> It isn’t. It’s a group of people, some of whom are country-music-loving Republicans who hate them black folk, but who also include a lot of them black folk, a lot of Democrats, and a lot of people who hate country music.

But... that is what most political opinions are like.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

Your 3D printed gun still needs that metal pipe. A 3D printed gun is just a frame for those metal parts.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

#336

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

> any real attempt to regulate guns Any real attempt would need to be at the national level, not that I would advocate for it, but it's simply a pipe dream to create a "gun free zone" in a country with 100s of millions of firearms. There are plenty of gun enthusiasts in California, they just don't flaunt it or talk about it.

> Any real attempt would need to be at the national level

Exactly! Prohibition works really well.

Now if only we could figure out what state that coke, heroin and meth are still legal in!!

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about blasting caps? Those are integrated into modern brass cartridges, and I think making them that way would require more precision than you'd be able to achieve with simple hand tools and an anvil. 19th century revolvers tended to require separate blasting caps, but you still had to buy them even if you could make the bullets.

Tiny objects are harder to regulate. Many drugs are illegal but are still easily accessible due to their small size and transportability. The correct action at this point in a society that wanted to keep guns legal but better regulated would be regulation of barrels. They are the only item left that are truly difficult to make in quantity and hide easily.

Shotguns don't need rifling.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

#338

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

Home depot can do better than a pipe:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-MasterShot-0-22-Caliber-P...

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

#339

This is the organization behind this... https://everytownresearch.org/report/printing-violence-urgen... >Lawmakers can take aggressive action to spur change in this area and help prevent the printing of 3DPFs. The most comprehensive solutions would apply nationwide, and Congress should work immediately to pass the innovative laws described here. But even without federal action, state policymakers can take meaningful…

One of Michael Bloomberg’s groups. He has four groups or so and is the single biggest funder of anti-gun propaganda, policy, and advocacy in the world.

He does not give 1/2 a shit about the issues that would effect 3D printing industry. I love it because he was trying this before 3D printing and the genie is just so far out of the bottle that it must infuriate him that he didn’t see it earlierZ

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

#340

Easy way to explain the absurdity of the idea is to picture how could a law be made restricting 2D printers from printing schematics of guns. How the printer could detect it, where the censoring circuit or program would live, how effective it would be and what it means long-term.

> Easy way to explain the absurdity of the idea is to picture how could a law be made restricting 2D printers from printing schematics of guns. > > How the printer could detect it, where the censoring circuit or program would live, how effective it would be and what it means long-term.

Maybe instead of stopping you the printer could add some small almost invisible dots in a pattern to identify which printer printed the schematic.

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