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Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by nwienert »

godelski wrote: post #201
PaulHoule wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple's self-image of being the epitome of design actually acts against them. Leads to monstrosities like Liquid Glass kinda vandalizing random parts of the UI in small ways that I intuitively read as "they are anti-anti-aliasing" not "they added cool refraction effects." It used to be you'd see something in a well-chosen color, now it is just a muddy kind of greyish brownish whatever. I'd like to see them ma…

> I think Apple's self-image of being the epitome of design actually acts against them. Leads to monstrosities like Liquid Glass kinda vandalizing random parts of the UI I'm pretty confident many Apple employees have eyes, and thus are aware of how absurd Liquid Glass is (wtf, my iPhone capitalizes that but not a standalone i?!?!) So assuming everyone at Apple isn't deaf (it's all over public discourse), blind (it lo…

It's significantly worse on Mac than iOS, which gives you the answer. On iOS it's fine, even good. I prefer it, as a designer. On Mac it's a mess, and obviously spent less time baking.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by jurplel »

fifafu wrote: post #259
mort96 wrote: post #252

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I also have a 120Hz Mac, and the animation is indeed slower in 120Hz mode. In my opinion, the animation crossed the line from "too slow but bearable" to "unbearable" with 120Hz. It is as you say; it's not really the animation itself that's the problem, but the delay from when I tell my machine "switch to this other workspace" until the focus switches to a window on that other workspace. The animation has this horribl…

> Sadly, solutions like BetterTouchTool and InstantSpaceSwitcher won't work for me because I prefer to use my trackpad to switch spaces. One of BetterTouchTool's first features ~17 years ago was trackpad gesture customization, it is still one of the most important things you can do with BTT! ;-) You'd just need to assign the "Move Right a Space (without animation)" and "Move Left a Space (without animation)" actions…

Instant space switcher now supports overriding the gesture.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by achierius »

veber-alex wrote: post #70
aylmao wrote: post #52

I grew up with this animation so I didn't consider it annoying until I bought a new Macbook a couple years ago. I noticed sometimes I would press keyboard shortcuts before my system's focus had switched. Just little stumbles here and there, some inoffensive, some annoying, but who knows maybe I didn't catch enough sleep. Over time it happened often enough that I decided to google it, and it turns out my muscle memory…

This is such an insane bug to still have around all these years. Are apple engineers not using macOS?

Essentially all Apple engineers use macOS ~exclusively (at least in the SWE org). That these bugs persist is in spite of that fact.

Frankly there's just a lot going on, and between all the kinds of bugs that have higher priority -- crashers, panics, memory regressions (your app gets Jetsam'd), power bugs (your phone runs out of battery mid-day), perf regressions (could violate EU regulations against planned obsolescence), security bugs (people can lose their money, journalists can get killed) -- bugs like this often fall by the wayside for quite some time until they're fixed.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by achierius »

aylmao wrote: post #304
godelski wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Apple's self-image of being the epitome of design actually acts against them. Leads to monstrosities like Liquid Glass kinda vandalizing random parts of the UI I'm pretty confident many Apple employees have eyes, and thus are aware of how absurd Liquid Glass is (wtf, my iPhone capitalizes that but not a standalone i?!?!) So assuming everyone at Apple isn't deaf (it's all over public discourse), blind (it lo…

Apple is hurt by being so centralized Cupertino IMO. A company that big in city that small and frankly, boring, isn't going to have the best hiring pool. I know plenty of very talented people who simply won't apply to Apple. They don't want to live in Cupertino or have to commute 2+ hours each day to go to work. Steve Jobs was a middle-class guy trying to find his place in the world; the kind to travel India to to me…

> Steve Jobs was a middle-class guy trying to find his place in the world; the kind to travel India to to meet Neem Karoli Baba, shaved head, barefoot, wearing kurtas

I'm gonna be real: I've seen guys with shaved heads and kurtas at Apple Park. Admittedly they did have shoes but Indian people aren't "exotic", they're just people.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by mintplant »

AaronFriel wrote: post #65
mintplant wrote: post #63

Awesome! Is there a working way to do the same for Windows virtual desktops? I remember I used to do it with ViVeTool [0], but Microsoft removed the feature flag at some point. [0] https://github.com/thebookisclosed/ViVe

Turn off "Animation Effects" in Settings and it will be instantaneous.

Right, but it has many knock-on effects unfortunately. For example, it propagates to web content and causes some sites to break because they don't test with animations disabled.

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Post by alsetmusic »

PaulHoule wrote: post #297
alsetmusic wrote: post #285

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> too easy to turn reject iPhone chips into netbooks in 2026. You mean the flagship chip from their former pro phones? I was with you until you said this. Makes you sound out of touch or ideological. I think they've been on the worst design tear since they went to OSX for the past eight-ish years. At no point does their awful software design intrude on their awesome chip designs. My partner's first Mac is a MacBook N…

It's not meant to be an insult, I have a phone in my pocket with one of those chips. back when I was using Android I was like "why do people get so excited about apps?" but the iPhone experience is all different. They are "rejects" because a lot of them have a busted core which can be fused off. If there's a problem w/ the Neo in it's current incarnation is that are going to run out of those chips and find something…

It'd be clearer had you said "binned" or something similar. I get what you mean. Apologies for my tone.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by mrkpdl »

crooked-v wrote: post #130
mrkpdl wrote: post #99

I use spaces constantly, and I’ve never thought about the animation - I don’t think I’d ever noticed it to be honest. So it’s really interesting to read all the comments here about how frustrated people are with it. This is not a defence of it just genuine interest - I bet there are totally different parts of the OS that bother me that don’t bother others also.

Try it on an ultrawide monitor. For me it's literally nauseating to leave it turned on, as in, it actively triggers motion sickness with a monitor that width.

I use it on an ultrawide at work, never really noticed it.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by apple4ever »

veber-alex wrote: post #70
aylmao wrote: post #52

I grew up with this animation so I didn't consider it annoying until I bought a new Macbook a couple years ago. I noticed sometimes I would press keyboard shortcuts before my system's focus had switched. Just little stumbles here and there, some inoffensive, some annoying, but who knows maybe I didn't catch enough sleep. Over time it happened often enough that I decided to google it, and it turns out my muscle memory…

This is such an insane bug to still have around all these years. Are apple engineers not using macOS?

> Are apple engineers not using macOS?

If they are, they aren't using anything but very basic parts of it.

But I think the better question is "Are Apple Executives not using MacOS?" because if they were, none of these mad bugs would still be here.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by apple4ever »

harrall wrote: post #133
PaulHoule wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple's self-image of being the epitome of design actually acts against them. Leads to monstrosities like Liquid Glass kinda vandalizing random parts of the UI in small ways that I intuitively read as "they are anti-anti-aliasing" not "they added cool refraction effects." It used to be you'd see something in a well-chosen color, now it is just a muddy kind of greyish brownish whatever. I'd like to see them ma…

My pet opinion is that Steve Jobs was an asshole but an asshole that used his own products and used his powers of complaining to steer the whole ship to fix major "this annoys me everyday" bugs. From my experience, "annoying but not blockers" bugs are often very neglected compared to (1) bugs that actually break things and (2) feature work. Neglecting quality of life issues leads to the "do you even use your product?…

> My pet opinion is that Steve Jobs was an asshole but an asshole that used his own products and used his powers of complaining to steer the whole ship to fix major "this annoys me everyday" bugs.

I think you are right. He was not perfect and not always nice, but man that dude CARED. Nobody at Apple cares any more.

Re: Native Instant Space Switching on macOS

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Post by apple4ever »

kcrwfrd_ wrote: post #163
JoeBOFH wrote: post #112

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Most of my issues were fixed when I disabled swipe to type. Not all, but most.

In case anyone else is going crazy trying to find this setting, it’s called slide to type

AHH thank you!!
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