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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by neop1x »

drnick1 wrote: post #156

> The "Chat Control" proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos. How would this be enforced in practice? In other words, what would prevent E.U. users from using encrypted services outside of the jurisdiction of the E.U., to "illegally" encrypt their hard drives or to run their own private encrypted comms servers?

Monitoring and influencing majority is enough for having power over citizens. Real criminals will use other unmonitored channels, of course.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by amelius »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #224
CGamesPlay wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am always curious when I see these kinds of movement. It seems abundantly clear that the options on any vote in any legislature for a proposed bill are always “yes” and “ask me later”. So when I see things like Fight Chat Control, it feels like the call is “we must tell our legislators to press the ask later button!” Why? Why has your approach not been toward passing active legislation that protects these rights go…

Because we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do. You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.

> You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels.

What does industry gain from new laws here?

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by iso1631 »

sgt wrote: post #79
iso1631 wrote: post #30

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There are two elements to the EU The Council, which is headed by the government of each member state in equal measure - similar to the Senate in the US And Parliament, which are directly elected by the people, with each member state having representitives in proportion to their population, so Germany has far more than Ireland. This is similar to Congress. Now this site says Germany supports it, but then says that MEP…

Is that fair? Ireland should surely have a say the same way Germany does in parliament too, if it's affecting Ireland just as much. If one considers countries as units.

Is it fair that California has more congresspeople than North Dakota?

Parliament is the unit which represent the people

Council (which is 1 country 1 vote) is what represents the countries.

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Post by odiroot »

mnewme wrote: post #55

Fun fact: the parties that want this are actually those who criticise the EU the most

Not really. Looking at Polish MPs for example, there's no clear pattern, rather a "healthy" mix from all parties with some random selection of opposing ones.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Xylakant wrote: post #282
matheusmoreira wrote: post #207

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Any "right" that is not absolute is a worthless fairy tale. Compromise is the root of all evil.

There are no absolute rights, even in the charter of human rights, which is about as basic as it gets. The reality is that every right, if regarded as absolute, violates another fundamental right, if regarded as absolute. Take for example Article 3 of the declaration of human rights: > Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. The article already has a collision set up in itself: You have the ri…

> The article already has a collision set up in itself

Yeah, because it's a made up self-contradictory notion with absolutely zero basis in reality. It's the people who believe in "rights" who are ignoring reality. Safety? The world is a dangerous place where you can be randomly killed if you take a wrong turn and no amount of "rights" is ever going to change that. Food and shelter? Simple economics are enough to defeat this, there isn't enough for everybody, rationing ensues almost immediately and suddenly you're forced to decide who's most "deserving" of these resources. Privacy? The FVEY get around it by spying on each other and sharing data because foreigners are always fair game. You can name virtually any right and the inherent contradictions in it are plain to see to anyone willing to go outside and see the world for what it actually is instead of what some "charter" says it should be.

It would be infinitely more honest if these governments simply decided to declare you guilty of whatever you're suspected of when they find your encrypted data. That's what they actually want to do. No need to engage in this song and dance about balancing "rights". If they did this, at least people would see things as they are instead of engaging in this constant abstraction in an attempt to rationalize and justify things by saying that you have the "right" to privacy but actually you don't when it's "in the interests of national security" for you to not have it. That sort of double speak is hazardous for my mental health and I'm tired of engaging in it.

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Post by IshKebab »

wolvoleo wrote: post #180
IshKebab wrote: post #103

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I wonder what it would take to expel them from the EU...

It's simply not possible. EU law has no provisions for kicking a malignant country out. It was simply not foreseen. They can only decide to leave themselves. Which orban will never do because his oligarchs make billions off EU subsidies. If it were it would have happened already.

It's not possible with the current rules. Ultimately if every EU country other than Turkey wants them out, what are they going to do?

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Post by Yizahi »

amelius wrote: post #332
sillysaurusx wrote: post #224

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Because we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do. You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.

> You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. What does industry gain from new laws here?

Better advertisement. Like for example this new bill pushed by Facebook in US about age verification by PC. It will create a universally available API of sorts, which any ad corpo can poll and get more private information about PC user.

Same with this Stazi 2.0 shit by EU. I'm sure the data produced will be either directly processed by some corpo having ad interests, or freely gifted to such corpos.

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