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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

hormuz.pythonic.ninja

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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The unfortunate thing is how keen the US and its allies appear to recreate it.

Last time I checked, only the US and Israel. Europeans don't want anything to do with this war, and the USA's East Asian allies also like it not even a little bit.

As a Brit, I'm disgusted that Starmer is allowing UK bases to be used by the US for launching attacks. I can see it being just a matter of time before Starmer drags us into another war of lies. (Last time it was Tony Blair, also a Labour leader and he still hasn't been tried for his war crimes).

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

What if it happens as a result of trying to hold someone worse responsible?

False dichotomy. There are other ways to deal with Iran that don't involve starting an ill conceived (and illegal) war that kills school children and possibly (probably?) plunges the world economy into recession. It is highly unlikely that the current military action will result in a pacified Iran.

Why do people think that since Iran is evil all actions against Iran are justified?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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The school was next to a missile launcher. Iran bombed Israel in January as a distraction tactic during the protests.

The school was hit 3 times by precision rockets. The compound of the school physically separated from the military buildings since 10 years. Clearly visible on sat pictures. Trump's reaction? It could have been anyones Tomahawks missiles. Is that where your information comes from, that there was a missile launcher next to it? Oh and are you aware that Trump once said he will intentionally kill the families of terrori…

I agree with you, but i want to also ask, have you heard what the ayatollah and the mullahs have said about killing Americans, dismembering protestors, raping children, nuking the United States. Have you heard the protestors mowed down by machine guns, have you heard they make you buy the body of your loved ones for the cost of the bullet, assigning that value to their life, have you heard that they literally living inside hospitals and schools, that they told the iranians they would rather every iranian die then let go of power, have you heard at all how insane the islamic regime is? How seriously they talk about destroying America and all of the west so they can spread their Islamic regime (forced conversions or death, forces prayer or death, women cannot go outside with men, men have all rights in marriage, age of consent is 9 years old _for girls_, older for boys, speaking against the governed is death, protesting is death. They literally walked the streets with speakers and plays on the national tv (propaganda, the only channel allowed now) that the people should go into the street and leave their houses, while america and israel are saying to shelter while we take out military installations. The mullahs are trying to get people killed to use that as a story to get us to stop the war. They've literally embedded military installations in every single block of most of the cities. They do that to use the citizens as human shields. The only reason they haven't already been toppled is that owning guns is illegal, and the regime and their insanity are willing to murder anyone and everyone it takes to hold on to power. They don't care about iran, they care about islam and nothing else, they're willing to destroy the world if it means no other religions are allowed. They killed tens of thousands of protestors, they raped the bodies of women then ripped out their wombs to prevent investigation. It's categorically insane. These are facts. If you don't believe them is cause you don't know anyone who came from Iran, i know many and all of them support toppling the ayatollah, sending in pahlavi as transitionary leader to get democracy running again. Trump is and has always been a crazy person too, but having learned some farsi and listened with my own ears, he's nothing like the mullahs.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Other than that, of course, WWII was perfectly civilized

The unfortunate thing is how keen the US and its allies appear to recreate it.

Moscow would be encircled right now if that was true.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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This is symptom of the misunderstanding among people that somehow more people being knowledgeable about politics will bring about a change. "Pen is mightier than sword" was probably written by a person who only wielded pen. It's a collective psyops inflicted by people on themselves, belonging to an era where it made sense. In today's world, it doesn't matter. Bring missles to a sword / knife fight. Only true power is…

> "Pen is mightier than sword" You completely misunderstood that. Take into account that you see the swords failing all around you whilst one nation effectively messed up the rest of the world through propaganda and maybe you'll begin to understand the true meaning of that sentence. Information, used well or abused well, is more powerful than any other weapon of war.

Pen / writing represents bits. Sword represents atoms. We already know atoms > bits. Nation states by their monopoly on violence through judicial system have abused that power. You can do hairsplitting analysis all day long but real people suffer because powerful people want something else. Petrodollar is a perfect example of physical force enforcing rules that benefit the country who ensured that system comes into existence and has maintained that through intermediate violence.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Lol. What exactly is it teaching me to think? Imo it’s barely political. Like it’s political in the sense that it’s topical, yes. And it has a mocking tone about the “tired of winning” speech, but that isn’t exactly a partisan position - even if you’re a supporter of his policies that’s a rediculous and mockable speech.

Easy framing 1. provide outline 2. audience fills in gaps 3. audience doesn't realize they were led to come to a certain conclusion. The more subtle the better.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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This is symptom of the misunderstanding among people that somehow more people being knowledgeable about politics will bring about a change. "Pen is mightier than sword" was probably written by a person who only wielded pen. It's a collective psyops inflicted by people on themselves, belonging to an era where it made sense. In today's world, it doesn't matter. Bring missles to a sword / knife fight. Only true power is…

> In today's world, it doesn't matter. Bring missles to a sword / knife fight. Only true power is respected.

How much did missiles and a trillion dollar military budget help against Russia in 2016?

In today’s world it’s “thousand internet trolls on a payroll mightier than missiles”.

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