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Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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The people pushing for "child protection" went to the island. It's not even about control, it's about shifting liability away from platforms so they can further gut moderation, reducing their expenses and getting away with doing nothing to stop the actual bad actors.

It's not about gutting moderation. They want you to dox yourself to get online. It's a pro-censorship authoritarian-friendly move. I don't believe the narrative that Meta is behind it all either. If they are, they are probably serving someone else.

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Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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post #295

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They were also likely done with keyboards and mice. Should we require id at point of purchase for those?

Alright, so does that mean we don't need KYC for gun purchases or bank accounts either? Of course you're probably going to say something about how guns and bank accounts are crucial components to crime, in which case the same holds for AI in the mexican telecoms hack.

> Alright, so does that mean we don't need KYC for ... bank accounts either?

That sounds reasonable. A bank can just be an institution that holds money for people; they don't need to be all over their customer's business. It is like a telecom not being responsible for what their customers say. In a simple sense banks don't need KYC.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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post #24

The people pushing for "child protection" went to the island. It's not even about control, it's about shifting liability away from platforms so they can further gut moderation, reducing their expenses and getting away with doing nothing to stop the actual bad actors.

It's not about gutting moderation. They want you to dox yourself to get online. It's a pro-censorship authoritarian-friendly move. I don't believe the narrative that Meta is behind it all either. If they are, they are probably serving someone else.

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Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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post #208

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How does that even begin to make sense? I want to protect my child from X type of content -- one of many jobs of a parent, but I will trust all content to self report to be child inappropriate? "Inappropriate" is entirely subjective and can not be defined as some sort universal bool -- and that's before you get to the point of actively malicious actors like Meta and Tiktok actively exploiting children for their conte…

The idea is that society should have some common standards for what's inappropriate for children. For example, parents don't want their kids to buy cigarettes, but also, stores don't want to sell them cigarettes. When there's consensus on this, cooperation is possible. Parents have an easier time when they get cooperation from the rest of society. But there isn't going to be consensus on everything, so content filter…

So simple, just get various Christian, Muslim, atheist, traditionalist and progressive, sane and insane parents to all agree on a common set of what is appropriate and inappropriate. And then enforce that on all of their children. Why didn’t I think of that? That should go great.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

#335
post #9

It's too late and never about children, simply deeper forms of data harvesting and surveillance. What makes me extremely sad and concerned is that more recent generations simply have no idea or expectation of privacy online anymore. There will never be more of a fight against all this Orwellian behavior.

> It's too late and never about children,

And this is why these arguments never translate well to mainstream politics.

By declaring a-priori that it is not about the children, and leaping straight to a deeper, more sinister motive that you're sure is there, even if you're right that there are people behind the scenes agitating for these sinister reason, you ignore that a lot of the general public and a lot of the political class genuinely do see this as a child protection issue.

If you can't even concede this, then you're missing large parts of the picture and your attempts to resist it will be that much harder.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

#336

Anyone else open for internet v2? Like a completely new system, with everything that we enjoyed with the first one around the millenia: buggy webpages, slow downloads, crappy browsers, having to download plugins… Lets do it again!

Autonomi seems like a good start

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

#337
post #98

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But why is Meta lobbying for this? The bills they push move compliance onto the app stores. And Meta doesn't run an app store. I think the execs think its some sort of 4D chess move to put liabilities onto their competitors. I'm not sure it will work out that way. Seems like FB has a lot more to lose than they think.

> I'm not sure it will work out that way. why? If age restriction get legislated into the OS, it puts a damper on further attempts on adding restrictions to sites, because they can point to the existing legislation and claim it's enough.

This is like saying, well they passed a new 5% tax, and if they try further attempts at adding more taxes, they can point to the existing legislation and claim it's enough.

COPPA already exists and they're insisting that it's not enough.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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I truly share your concerns, especially as someone belonging to a minority. At the same time, we have to be real: Online anonymity has significant, real-world drawbacks. I don't think it's reasonable to keep dreaming of the 90s or 00s when the internet was a comparatively innocent place. As society is more and more digitized, the stakes become much, much higher. An information leak 30 years ago was bad, but it had a…

I feel like I see these comments basically verbatim and it's freaking me out. The whole "I share your concerns, but hear me out: anonymity is bad." It's basically identical wording every single time. I think people who say this should back it up by posting their full name, date of birth, SSN or other ID number, and address. A phone number would also be helpful so we can call and verify that they made the post. Otherw…

> I think people who say this should back it up by posting their full name, date of birth, SSN or other ID number, and address. A phone number would also be helpful so we can call and verify that they made the post. Otherwise they're not being honest

But this isn't (intellectually) honest, either?

Maybe you can justify asking that they post under their real name, but asking for the kind of information that's required to steal their identity isn't the same as asking them who they are.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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I live in extremely fire prone areas. Many of us are pretty damn okay at beating back the flame and controlling the flow of the worst of things away from homes, but nobody is perfect. We don't expect every family and parent in these areas to have fire fighting skills, self evacuation is recommended. Parents every where now find themselves surrounded by the delibrately laid gasoline of addictive social media and groom…

I agree with that however I'm puzzled by your comment because in the context that you're responding to I don't think I said anything that would imply otherwise. Being particularly skilled in "defensive cyber security" isn't a requirement to avoid grooming of your child in the general case - some combination of communication, supervision, and filtering is. > It's reasonable to expect communities to want simple barrier…

Okay, in the specific upthread context;

* there are very few urban population clump on the planet that don't face the threat of child grooming and exploitation, both before and after the digital device explosion.

* that threat vector significantly increased and morphed with the spread of personal digital devices for children; the threat comes no longer from potentially any personal with contact in real life, it has now expanded to include potentially the entire digital world and now can be automated via groomGPT

* A simple "where were the parents" response on a per parent basis is unfair in the sense that spotting grooming in a digital device world is a difficult challenge .. even a simple constrained playground with stock babytalk language construction can be socially backdoored (See: "I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny" )

* Concerned parents will look for solutions, communities, at local, state, and federal levels should devote resources to providing solutions in informed contexts and graduated levels.

* Unaware parents will exist, and will likely dominate the demographics, or not?

* Is the correct _default_ social policy here (answer varies by country and culture) to shield the less cyber aware from the worst of the worst with filters ... that the better informed can bypass or deselect?

I guess where we diverge on PoV is where the perimeter of swiss cheese protection should extend to.

Re: Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control

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These laws were passed almost exclusively by the party of self-proclaimed free speech warriors led by Epstein's best friend. State | Effective Date | Legislature Control ------------------+----------------+---------------------- Alabama | Oct 1, 2024 | Republican Arizona | Sep 26, 2025 | Republican Arkansas | Jul 31, 2023 | Republican California | Jan 1, 2027 | Democratic Florida | Jan 1, 2025 | Republican Georgia |…

It's curious that you've omitted California (Democrats) and Colorado (Democrats) from your list.

And Illinois and New York.
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