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Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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The LLM ban is unenforceable, they must know this. Is it to scare off the most obvious stuff and have a way to kick people off easily in case of incomplete evidence?

Speed limits are unenforceable. You'll never catch everyone speeding so why even bother trying.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Well, it's not quite that easy because someone still has to test the agent's output and make sure it works as expected, which it often doesn't. In many cases, they still need to read the code and make sure that it does what it's supposed to do. Or they may need to spend time coming up with an effective prompt, which can be harder than it sounds for complicated projects where models will fail if you ask them to implem…

Definitely, but that's kind of my point: the maintainers are still going to be way better at all of that than some random contributor who just wants a feature, vibe codes it, and barely tests it. The maintainers already know the codebase, they understand the implications of changes, and they can write much better plans for the agent to follow, which they can verify against. Having a great plan written down that you c…

You can do all the steps I mentioned as a random contributor. I've done it before. But I agree that donations are better than just prompting claude "implement this feature, make no mistakes" and hoping it one-shots it. Honestly, even carefully thought-out feature requests are much more valuable than that. At least if the maintainer vibe-codes it they don't have to worry that you deliberately introduced a security vulnerability or back door.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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That's a dick move because you are opening up an open source project to claims of infringement without recourse. Why on earth would you force stuff on a party that has said they don't want that?

Sure, but back in reality no you’re not? No more than any other contributor? If I want to use an auto-complete then I can, and I will? Restricting that is as regressive as a project trying to specify that I write code from a specific country or… standing on my head. Sure, if they want me to add a “I’m writing this standing on my head” message in the PR then I will… but I’m not.

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Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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We need LLMs that have a certificate of origin. For instance a GPL LLM trained only on GPL code where the source data is all known, and the output is all GPL. It could be done with a distributed effort.

Doesn't Richard Stallman opposes AI use?

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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I am 100% certain that code that Redox OS relies on in upstream already has LLM code in it.

So what?

You pay taxes to a government using it to wage wars bombing children schools. Will you now live in hut a on the forest because you don't consent to it?

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Unfortunately, LLMs generate useless word salad and nonsense even when working on issues text, you absolutely have to reword the writing from scratch otherwise it's just an annoyance and a complete waste of time. Even a good prompt doesn't help this all that much since it's just how the tool works under the hood: it doesn't have a goal of saying anything specific in the clearest possible way and inwardly rewording it…

I feel like every person stating things of this nature are literally not able to communicate effectively (though this is not a barrier anymore, you can get a dog to vibe code games with the right workflow, which to me seems like quite an intellectual thing to be able to do. Despite that, you will make this argument when trying to use copilot to do something, the worst model in the entire industry. If an AI can replac…

Copilot isn't a model. Currently it's giving me a choice of 15 different models. By all evidence, AI is nowhere close to replacing me, but to hear other people tell it, it is weeks or maybe months away.

I'll just wait and see.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Unfortunately, LLMs generate useless word salad and nonsense even when working on issues text, you absolutely have to reword the writing from scratch otherwise it's just an annoyance and a complete waste of time. Even a good prompt doesn't help this all that much since it's just how the tool works under the hood: it doesn't have a goal of saying anything specific in the clearest possible way and inwardly rewording it…

I don’t think you’re being serious. Claude and GPT regularly write programs that are way better than what I would’ve written. Maybe you haven’t used a decent harness or a model released in the last year? It’s usually verbose, whereas I would try the simplest thing that could possibly work. However, it can knock out but would have taken me multiple weekends in a few minutes. The value proposition isn’t even close. It’…

The verboseness is the key issue as to why LLMed PRs are bad.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, LLMs generate useless word salad and nonsense even when working on issues text, you absolutely have to reword the writing from scratch otherwise it's just an annoyance and a complete waste of time. Even a good prompt doesn't help this all that much since it's just how the tool works under the hood: it doesn't have a goal of saying anything specific in the clearest possible way and inwardly rewording it…

I feel like every person stating things of this nature are literally not able to communicate effectively (though this is not a barrier anymore, you can get a dog to vibe code games with the right workflow, which to me seems like quite an intellectual thing to be able to do. Despite that, you will make this argument when trying to use copilot to do something, the worst model in the entire industry. If an AI can replac…

> If an AI can replace you at your job, you are not a very good programmer.

Me and millions of other local yokel programmers who work in regional cities at small shops, in house at businesses, etc are absolutely COOKED. No I cant leet code, no I didnt go to MIT, no I dont know how O(n) is calculated when reading a function. I can scrap together a lot of useful business stuff but no I am not a very good programmer.

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