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Post by qingcharles »

lukan wrote: post #279
jklinger410 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think citizens in those countries recognize that allowing a repressive regime to exist simply for cheap oil costs is not necessarily a good solution, either.

Because they all live themself in repressive regimes?

If you're talking about the Qataris, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis, they generally don't consider themselves[1] repressed, even though it looks that way from say an American perspective. (Women's rights are definitely a huge issue still) Those countries are very quickly becoming enormously Westernized, though. Just don't ask how many women politicians there are.

[1] only speaking of the natives, immigrants of all flavors have a very different situation

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Post by anigbrowl »

hedora wrote: post #118
roughly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been at this for 2.5 days, and the president is suggesting this could last a month or more. I suspect the long term ROI on free school lunches is going to far exceed that of this war, as well.

Everyone except the president is suggesting this will turn into a regional forever war.

He was posting on Truth Social yesterday about how the US has enough materiel to fight forever.

The United States Munitions Stockpiles have, at the medium and upper medium grade, never been higher or better - As was stated to me today, we have a virtually unlimited supply of these weapons. Wars can be fought "forever," and very successfully, using just these supplies (which are better than other countries finest arms!). At the highest end, we have a good supply, but are not where we want to be. Much additional high grade weaponry is stored for us in outlying countries. Sleepy Joe Biden spent all of his time, and our Country's money, GIVING everything to P.T. Barnum (Zelenskyy!) of Ukraine - Hundreds of Billions of Dollars worth - And, while he gave so much of the super high end away (FREE!), he didn't bother to replace it. Fortunately, I rebuilt the military in my first term, and continue to do so. The United States is stocked, and ready to WIN, BIG!!! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP

Obviously he's full of shit but he's actively trying to balance the idea tht it will be over quickly wit the idea that the US has unlimited warmaking capacity. Neither is true of course.

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Post by benrutter »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #43

How much money was set on fire for Ukraine? Where does that fall in relation on the righteousness rubric?

Certainly a lot less per day, but regardless, the two wars have very different aggressors. If the US has an argument that Iran was a real threat, it certainly hasn't tried to make it yet. Conversely, Ukraine had no choice about whether to be in a war.

It's easy to be cynical around "righteousness" but morality means something. I hope Americans with any kind of influence or vote are introspecting hard right now on what they feel confortable with.

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

carefulfungi wrote: post #219
hereme888 wrote: post #149

For the prospects of the freedom and subsequent prosperity of the oppressed Iranian people, peace in the Middle East, and safety of the commercial shipping routes, I fully approve my tax dollars to the matter.

Iraq. Afghanistan. Iraq, again. Syria. Libya. Iran. Iran, again. Yeah - this is totally gonna work this time.

In theory it could work. In practice you'd at most get a bloody civil war that would give rise to a new form of ISIS. But if you believe what Fox News tells you, it's probably too late to argue about it.

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Post by cindyllm »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #329
tzahifadida wrote: post #224

What would have happened if the US dis not get involved in WWII. We would probably not be here... Not everything is short sighted bean counters. Having major cities explode by nuclear devices in the US will surely cost more.

I'm sorry but this is a braindead take. Trump is exactly a short-sighted .. well not a bean counter since I doubt his ability to count. But short sighted for sure. Thinking an Iranian nuke is threatening a US city is probably a Fox news talking point, so dogshit by definition.

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Post by richardfeynman »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #328
nprz wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

175 dead children is already far too much suffering and if you're incapable of understanding that you are operating with a fully broken moral compass.

I think it is a hard problem to discuss clearly, but it not automatically a deal breaker. What about 175 children vs 30,000 protesters? What about 30,000 protesters a year in perpetuity?

Exactly, a real moral calculus needs to be made, not a hysterical "But the IRGC said 175 children died." And a real moral calculus involves weighing the value of the deaths caused by removing the IRGC against the deaths caused by the IRGC.

My antagonist said I have no moral compass. Of course I care about the death of children. But that doesn't mean I swallow IRGC propaganda wholesale, as they apparently do. The IRGC lies constantly, it has provided no evidence that so many children died, and hasn't brought forth any evidence to indicate the destruction of the school was caused by western munitions as opposed to a failed launch of their own (which we've seen happen.

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Post by lukan »

readitalready wrote: post #321
lukan wrote: post #297

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Fortunately he is not undisputed king of america, yet.

lol the Israelis would also disagree, otherwise they would have let the Palestinians live with them instead of literally going village-to-village, and door-to-door to forcibly remove the Palestinian residents or be killed if they didn't. If the state of Israel doesn't believe in native rights, then you shouldn't believe in supporting their native rights either.

Thank you, but I choose for myself what rights I support and yes, it is rights on both sides.

Re: Iran War Cost Tracker

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Post by lukan »

throwaw12 wrote: post #322
lukan wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize most Israelis were born there? Having a right to live where you are born is a pretty fundamental one.

> You do realize most Israelis were born there? So do Palestinians. It wasn't an empty land, right? > Having a right to live where you are born is a pretty fundamental one. I don't think West Bank settlers agree with you on this

"I don't think West Bank settlers agree with you on this"

So? Did I said something that makes you think I agree with them on many points? There ain't just 2 extreme sides in this conflict.

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Post by jklinger410 »

kakacik wrote: post #178
jklinger410 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think citizens in those countries recognize that allowing a repressive regime to exist simply for cheap oil costs is not necessarily a good solution, either.

Almost nobody thinks like that, what are we 5 year olds? Especially when most left leaning folks in western world has hard sympathies with hamas which are just left and right hand of the same regime (maybe not US left which is far from left elsewhere). Did US population en masse lost sleep during past decades till now and some future due to sweatshops full of kids making their jeans or iphones or Christmas toys for t…

> Especially when most left leaning folks in western world has hard sympathies with hamas

I'm not going to take your comment seriously due to this wild opinion.

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Post by anigbrowl »

hereme888 wrote: post #203
nprz wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really believe killing 175 children[0] will bring peace and prosperity to the Iranian people? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/world/middleeast/girls-sc...

That news piece was officially dismissed after investigation by the IDF and CENTCOM. I would bring to your awareness that you're using an emotional argument with no substance, and it discounts the decades of complex history in the region.

after investigation by the IDF and CENTCOM

Neither of those can be considered reliable sources. It's possible that it was an Iranian misfire, but it would be a big coincidence that that happened right as we launched an attack on them and an even bigger coincidence that someone just happened to take a picture of it and post it on the internet to immediately exonerate the IDG and Centcom.

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