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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by mongol »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #314
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

I mean the other options are China and Europe but honestly it's probably way safer as a EU/European citizen to have your data in the USA vs Europe. The last thing I want is Europe in control of any of my data they just fundamentally don't think privacy from the government should exist. Pair that with the frankly appalling lack of free speech I wouldn't want to risk it.

You are free to put your data whereever you want. But from a national security perspective, it is critical that Europe can run vital, public services on software and infrastructure under their own control

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by dang »

joe_mamba wrote: post #327
dang wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please stop breaking the site guidelines so we don't have to keep banning you? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

And what rule did I break exactly? Please show it to me and point out which of my comments broke that rule.

The GP comment broke the rules against (1) snark, (2) name-calling, (3) fulmination, and (4) ideological battle, for starters.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by bokohut »

I ask the question: Is it human comprehendible data that has the value?

So would this issue still exist if the data was not human comprehendible yet a system still functioned 100% as needed?

The outlier technologists among us may read between my written lines with piquéd interest while the majority will likely just balk making claims based on lack of knowledge and awareness. For those looking to balk save your time in responding because analogously we no longer drive Ford Model Ts either and in time so too will system designs significantly change to answer the issues created by todays limited technology architectures.

Whether it be in the water you drink, the air you breath, or the technology platforms you rely on; What you cannot see matters most!

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by philipallstar »

nehal3m wrote: post #228
philipallstar wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tariffs existed before a year ago, whether you knew about them or not.

Obviously. What's your point? Do you mean to tell me nothing changed in how the US tariffs their imports?

No, I'm saying what you said was misleading at best, because tariffs already existed.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by erentz »

The people in this regime and their supporters really seem surprised to discover that actually other countries do have agency and national pride. Serious empathy gap in these people.

The US owned the world’s tech stack and countries let it because it was convenient and despite its problems people mostly trusted the US was on their side. In one year we’ve utterly destroyed that and made ourselves enemies of the democratic world. That Silicon Valley did not see this would threaten its global business says something.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by wat10000 »

forgotaccount3 wrote: post #309
wat10000 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a failure of government because the law mandates the notice in so many places that it becomes pointless noise. Cookie banners are not analogous. It's easy to make a web site that doesn't need cookie banners. It's actually easier to make a site that doesn't need them than to make one that does. Adding in the tracking that requires banner takes effort. But companies prefer to put in that effort and annoy their u…

> But companies prefer to put in that effort and annoy their users so they can have that tracking. This is making the assumption that the company has already paid the significant legal fees to see if they need the banner or not. Or ignoring the companies that think it is easier to add the banner than pay a law firm to review it's data usage. It's like 'Hey, I make T-shirts. I want to sell them to anyone who visits my…

Tossing up a banner doesn't really help. You're required to allow users to opt out of anything that's not essential to the service being requested by the user. So regardless of whether you're going to have a banner or not, you have to identify what's essential. And once you've done that, you could stop there and not have anything non-essential.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by erentz »

gip wrote: post #210

Similarly, in the 2000s, the US pushed back against the development of Galileo and preferred that Europe continue relying on GPS. That created tensions between the US and the EU. Fighting data sovereignty is a losing battle for the US: data are too strategic to outsource, even to allies. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

At this stage tech companies should be pushing for very strong legislation that makes the US a bastion of data privacy to restore trust. But they are still pushing in the other direction.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by jojomodding »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #268
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #149

It increasingly feels like the US sees everyone as an enemy. Is it just the government that feels this way, or do the general population of the US feel like everyone else on the planet is an enemy?

Ignorance is a Weapon. Much of the US media is captured, so virtually nothing is fed back to us Americans. This also builds on top of US gunboat diplomacy going all the way back to the Monroe Doctrine. Keeping Americans ignorant allows our government and corporations a free hand in foreign affairs. The limited information allowed through is heavily sanitized and depicts US actions as the Good Guys attacked by the Evi…

I find it hard to look at the actions of the Japanese and the Americans in the late 1930s and come away with any other impression than that the Americans were the good guys.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by nxm »

gtowey wrote: post #148
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

Such a missed opportunity. We could have been to data privacy and protection what Switzerland is to Banking. But no, our cooperate oligarch overlords just can't keep their hands out of the piggy bank.

Swiss? Where money laundering is basically a given?
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