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Post by autoexec »

K0balt wrote: post #227
wrs wrote: post #75

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What confuses me is that no revolution is required. All we had to do to avoid this was to vote. Voting would still (probably) work.

Unfortunately, studies undertaken by MIT over a decade ago show that when it comes to law writing and passing, voters have no statistically measurable input at the federal level. (Since citizens united) It’s all just identity politics. I will say that Trump has proven the exception to this rule, enacting a whole lot of policy that circumvents the law and has real effects. (And is likely mostly unconstitutional if act…

It shouldn't be a surprise that a willingness to violate the law works quickly when congress is unwilling to do anything to stop it. The ability for the law and constitution to be ignored when all three branches of government collude to do exactly that is a huge weakness in the system

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Post by bob1029 »

Ring doorbells and ALPRs are a meme compared to what we've already deployed domestically. I've seen the Houston police department fly wide area surveillance aircraft all day over certain parts of town. The capabilities of some of these systems are almost unbelievable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-area_motion_imagery

I strongly recommend not breaking the law until you've fully considered the omniscient demigod threat model. You never know who is watching and what their capabilities might be.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #166
bullfightonmars wrote: post #144

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This is ahistoric. No-one ever said we had to "just vote for Obama" to close Guantanamo Bay. Frankly, Obama _tried_ to close Guantanamo Bay. He significantly shrunk the population of inmates, but it was ultimately Congress, and the courts that prevented the closure Obama spent a huge amount of time and political capital trying to clean up Bush's messes.

You're supporting the point of the person you responded to.

That’s the separation of powers at work, which is desirable. Congress has to (and can) do it. Obama, unlike Trump, would sometimes back down when he met the edges of executive authority. That’s how it should be.

I wanted Gitmo closed, but I don’t want it closed in a way that further expands the executive branch by once again nibbling at the edges of another branch’s authority.

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Post by atlgator »

Someone in the thread linked a teardown showing these use a ~$4 OV5647 Arducam sensor on what's essentially a Raspberry Pi. The real vandalism isn't the people with hammers — it's charging municipalities six figures for a trail camera with a cellular modem and a pitch deck.

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Post by itishappy »

dyauspitr wrote: post #107
some_random wrote: post #89

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Rule of law is long gone, neither party has any interest in it, it's more of a guideline of law now.

Don’t both sides this. Explicitly point out that the GOP is many orders of magnitude worse.

When it comes to property damage?

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Post by thephyber »

runarberg wrote: post #291
coliveira wrote: post #231

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They were able to slow down the inevitable trajectory, they did nothing to reverse course. Doing anything different would be too "radical" for Obama or Biden.

The trajectory in question was pretty well laid out in Bush’s Patriot act. If the Democratic Party at any point wanted to reverse course they would have opposed the initial legislation (like the general public did), and subsequently championed a policy which abandons it and corrects for the harm it caused. That did not happen, quite the contrary in fact.

I think you vastly undersell how much of the US voters supported extreme measures in reaction to Sept 11.

There was a social panic to “protect us against terrorism” at pretty much any cost. It was easy for the party in power to demonize the resistance to the power grab and nobody except Libertarians had a coherence response.

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Post by mv4 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #325
mv4 wrote: post #316

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"Among the 37 percent of adults who would not have covered a $400 expense completely with cash or its equivalent, most would pay some other way, although some said that they would be unable to pay the expense at all. For those who could cover the expenses another way, the most common approach was to use a credit card and then carry a balance, and many indicated they would use multiple approaches. However, 13 percent…

An informative data point. To provide some context regarding my earlier comment, a brand new full size memory foam mattress can be had for less than $200 shipped in the continental US. A computer capable of playing modern AAA video games can be had for less than $400. Material luxuries in the modern day are cheap to an almost absurd degree. I think maybe we need a new CPI metric for HCOL areas that takes the form of…

I wouldn't call these material luxuries, just like big screen TVs are no longer a luxury. Being able to visit a doctor or a dentist on the other hand...

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pear01 wrote: post #288
mikestorrent wrote: post #222

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> The American Revolution was rare in that it didn't need to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Rebellion Interestingly y'all Americans pay much more tax now than you did to England back in the day. Turns out King George was right, and it was just about changing who the tax was paid to.

It's also rare to just "discover" an entire continent that is basically free for the taking since Europeans annihilated native populations through disease and technological superiority. Much of what makes America unique is tied to this essentially once in a generation event that will never happen again on this planet, a contingent confluence of Earth's parallel geographic and biological evolution... it's fairly easy…

That's one of the core plot points in The Mars Trilogy - Why take orders from people on another planet in the age of sub-light-speed space travel?

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Post by ChoGGi »

Larrikin wrote: post #168
Grimblewald wrote: post #120

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People who rape, murder, and eat children run the country and face no hint of repurcussion. There never was rule of law. Only the appearance of it.

Rape is clearly in the Epstein files. Murder is implied in the Epstein files with an email about burying girls on the property. Eating sounds like an unhelpful exaggeration, unless I missed a major news story.

> Eating sounds like an unhelpful exaggeration, unless I missed a major news story.

There's a bunch of mentions of "jerky" in the files, some people have taken it to mean eating people.

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Post by itishappy »

mv4 wrote: post #297

When it comes to privacy violations, Ring and Nest aren't much better - but at least people have a choice whether or not to install them. Nest: video was recovered from 'residual data located in backend systems' even though there was no active subscription. Ring: employees accessing people's videos. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/05/... I am an American and I am doing something about it. Co-…

I support what you're doing, but I'd like to point out that everybody cares about ethics at the start...

> We are committed to protecting human privacy and mitigating bias in policing with the development of best-in-class technology rooted in ethical design, which unites civilians and public servants in pursuit of a safer, more equitable society.

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety

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