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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by Teever »

Tzela wrote: post #185
znnajdla wrote: post #180

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Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser.

"women are drawn to toxic abusers" is very, very wrong. It indicates a wish/desire/need to be abused. No, they are not drawn to that. Many abusers know how to look nice and perfect and are great at manipulation. Also, there may just be a lot of bad men in your social peer group. Don't make it sound like it's the womens fault.

Some people are often drawn to toxic abusers.

It's pretty well established at this point that victims of childhood abuse are much more likely to enter into relationships that involve violence from their intimate partners.

One of the best predictors for someone entering a abusive relationship is whether ot not that person has previously been in one and whether they have processed it therapeutically.

I understand your instinct to defend people who have been hurt but this isn't a matter of assigning blame to them. It's about identifying patterns and finding ways to break them.

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Post by dirasieb »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #160
furyofantares wrote: post #144

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Have you ever looked at one of the registries? The ones I've seen have had details about the offense(s).

We don't have public ones here in Australia, so no I've never looked at one. Having details would make it harder to play down the offenses. But only if someone bothers to check.

you've never looked at any of them but you have an opinion on how they should and shouldn't be?

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Post by expedition32 »

jiqiren wrote: post #68
phire wrote: post #49

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Sex offender registries are just registries. They only work if someone decides to actually do a query. It might prevent them from getting a childcare job, but it doesn't really prevent them from accessing children at all. The registers are also massively bloated, some people get put on them for nothing more than public urination. The only sex offenders who actually get regular checks that might identify this type of…

How many of these sex offenders bought this couch and live close to this brick factory in homes built in that time period?

There was an infamous case in the Netherlands were two children were horrifically attacked in a park and it turned out that TWO pedos were at that location at the time. They got the wrong one.

Serendipity and all that.

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Post by alistairSH »

Pay08 wrote: post #209
bloppe wrote: post #201

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95% of cases are settled before reaching jury trial. Usually a plea bargain for criminal cases. Settlement for civil cases. Or dismissal. The other 5% are expensive.

Would peeing in a bush be a criminal charge? I'm not American but I thought there was a difference between misdemeanors and "actual" crimes.

The other comments cover it.

We have civil offenses, the most common example would be minor traffic offense (speeding but not recklessly, etc). These were criminal at one time, but arresting people for minor speeding was deemed inappropriate.

Then we have misdemeanors - everything from reckless driving through basic assault (no injuries, no weapon). Usually/always Then there are felonies - assault with a weapon, major financial crimes, etc. Typically >1 year prison sentences. As noted, these can impact your rights as a citizen and they will appear on most background checks.

As I mentioned in another comment, district attorneys frequently charge as many individual crimes as possible as a tactic to get cooperation/plea from the accused.

For example, you get pulled over for DUI/drink-driving. You're blotto, and you get out of your car and try to walk away. Police tackle you. The chargeable offenses would be at least... - whatever initial infraction caused the traffic stop (speeding, swerving, whatever) - that was probably civil. - The DUI - a misdemeanor unless it was excessive or a repeat offense - "Fleeing and eluding" or equivalent for walking away - misdemeanor, usually. - Assaulting a law enforcement officer (by forcing the police to tackle you) - automatic felony in many states.

The DA will often accept a guilty plea on everything up to the felony assault, or reduce the assault from "against a LEO" to normal assault (non-felony) to clear their plate.

No idea if this is common in the rest of the anglo-sphere, or anywhere else.

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Post by expedition32 »

rectang wrote: post #103
roysting wrote: post #91

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I think what is confusing is likely that the investigators/detectives were probably trying to make sure that the girl was actually in the house where the sex offender was registered or technically living, and not maybe kept somewhere else. A lot of detective work is building the case, but also confirming what you believe is actually true and you need the evidence to also request the warrant on factual grounds. They c…

> Frankly, I hope the mother was also charged. Would you want her charged if she didn't even know? There is nothing in the article suggesting that the mother conspired with her boyfriend, or that she even knew he was a sex offender. I can imagine a scenario where the mother blames herself for not knowing and is utterly destroyed by misplaced guilt. Who knows what actually happened? The article wasn't about that.

They always know.

My mother worked in mental healthcare and she's always told me that "the sisterhood" doesn't exist.

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #30

Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a…

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Post by roryirvine »

throwaway5465 wrote: post #4

This speaks volumes of the moral values of Facebook vs the brick industry.

It helps that the brick industry is already set up to offer this - "brick matching" from photographs is a valuable service for architects, builders, and home improvement firms.

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Post by infecto »

mystraline wrote: post #314
infecto wrote: post #299

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Honestly I am surprised more real estate agents don’t already bake this into the workflow. Thinking about Zillow as well. There should absolutely be a way to identify all the folks during your home search (buying or renting) that are on the registry.

I found that realtors can't even do basic searches to determine which ISPs serve the house. To expect them to be aware of multiple GIS layers is likely way out of their normal scope. Maybe it shouldn't be? But thats how things are now . You, the client, should also do your own data collection from public and semi-public sources for things that are strictly outside MLS data capture.

Of course everyone is ultimately responsible for what they purchase but with the commission earned on a few % off a 500k+ transaction I would expect them to do it.

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Post by [deleted] »

expedition32 wrote: post #335
rectang wrote: post #103

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> Frankly, I hope the mother was also charged. Would you want her charged if she didn't even know? There is nothing in the article suggesting that the mother conspired with her boyfriend, or that she even knew he was a sex offender. I can imagine a scenario where the mother blames herself for not knowing and is utterly destroyed by misplaced guilt. Who knows what actually happened? The article wasn't about that.

They always know. My mother worked in mental healthcare and she's always told me that "the sisterhood" doesn't exist.

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Post by rectang »

whatsupdog wrote: post #258
rectang wrote: post #148

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My heart breaks for parents who learn that their children found themselves unable to confide in them about rape.

I doubt the mother didn't know.

From Maternal Perceptions Of And Responses To Child Sexual Abuse https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4845772/ :

> But it was estimated that from 30% to even 80% of victims do not purposefully disclose their misuse before adulthood.

[...]

> Arata found an inverse relationship between the disclosure and severity of abuse. Subjects reporting contact sexual abuse were significantly less likely to disclose it than those reporting non-contact sexual abuse.

> The duration of sexual abuse has a significant impact on its disclosure – the longer children are abused, the more hesitant they may be to disclose their abuse.

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