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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by mulmen »

bityard wrote: post #309
victormy wrote: post #285

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Actually, Linux reinforces my point. It isn't powered solely by volunteers; it thrives because the world's largest corporations (Intel, Google, Red Hat, etc.) foot the bill. The Linux Foundation is massively funded by corporate members, and most kernel contributors are paid engineers. Without that commercial engine, Linux would not have the dominance it does today. Even OpenAI had to pivot away from its original non-…

> Even OpenAI had to pivot away from its original non-profit, open principles to survive and scale. Uh, no, OpenAI didn't pivot from being open in order to survive. They survived for 7 years before ChatGPT was released. When it was, they pivoted the _instant_ it became obvious that AI was about to be a trillion-dollar industry and they weren't going to miss the boat of commercialization. Yachts don't buy themselves,…

> Yachts don't buy themselves, you know!

No but open source rugpulls do!

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by victormy »

Open-Sourcery wrote: post #325
victormy wrote: post #272

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Garage is indeed an excellent project, but I think it has a few drawbacks compared to the alternatives: Metadata Backend: It relies on SQLite. I have concerns about how well this scales or handles high concurrency with massive datasets. Admin UI: The console is still not very user-friendly/polished. Deployment Complexity: You are required to configure a "layout" (regions/zones) to get started, whereas MinIO doesn't f…

It uses LMDB by default, but CAN use SQLite as an alternative [1]. LMDB is already used by OpenLDAP [2][3] and seems pretty bullet-proof. [1] https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/cookbook/real-w... [2] https://www.symas.com/mdb [3] https://www.openldap.org/

Okay, I'll correct my mistake,thx.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by victormy »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #326
devsda wrote: post #279

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> That's an odd take... open source is a software licensing model, not a business model. Yes, open-source is a software license model, not a business model. It is also not a software support model. This change is them essentially declaring that MinIO is EOL and will not have any further updates. For comparison, Windows 10 which is a paid software released in the same year as first minio release i.e. 2015 is already E…

>This change is them essentially declaring that MinIO is EOL and will not have any further updates. Just fork it!

Simply forking it won't work. The legal risks have been well-documented. Under their AGPL + Commercial model, the moment your fork gets too popular, MinIO can just shut you down. This is exactly why the smart money and talent have already moved on to systems like RustFS, SeaweedFS, and Garage instead of trying to maintain a doomed fork.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by victormy »

everfrustrated wrote: post #313
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #270

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> Although many people criticize RustFS, suggesting its CLA might be "bait," I don't think such a requirement is excessive for open source software, as it helps mitigate their own legal risks. What legal risks does it help mitigate?

RustFS has rug-pull written all over it. You can bookmark this comment for the future. 100% guaranteed it will happen. Only question is when.

Lol, maybe you should fund the RustFS team yourself or sponsor a top-tier legal team for them. If you can help them rewrite their CLAs and guarantee they'll never face any IP risks down the road, then sure, you're 100% right.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by monkey26 »

j1elo wrote: post #163
jbstack wrote: post #27

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There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

The only meaningful informed decision, but sadly much less known (and I think we should talk and insist more on it), is to be wary if you see a CLA . Not all do, but most perform Copyright Assignment, and that's detrimental to the long-term robustness of Open Source. Having a FOSS license is NOT enough. Idealy the copyright should be distributed across all contributors. That's the only way to make overall consensus a…

Do you feel the same way if the CLA is to assign copyright to an non profit foundation that is a steward of that open source project?

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by phoronixrly »

regularfry wrote: post #230
phoronixrly wrote: post #201

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> the software is under AGPL. Go forth and forkify. No, what was minio is now aistor, a closed-source proprietary software. Tell me how to fork it and I will. > they wanted to be the only commercial source of the software The choice of AGPL tells me nothing more than what is stated in the license. And I definitely don't intend to close the source of any of my AGPL-licensed projects.

> Tell me how to fork it and I will. https://github.com/minio/minio/fork The fact that new versions aren't available does nothing to stop you from forking versions that are. Or were - they'll be available somewhere , especially if it got packaged for OS distribution.

The only packages I find of aistor, are binary packages. Not only that, the aistor license agreement explicitly states the following:

> You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works of the Software.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by phoronixrly »

tracker1 wrote: post #278
phoronixrly wrote: post #201

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> the software is under AGPL. Go forth and forkify. No, what was minio is now aistor, a closed-source proprietary software. Tell me how to fork it and I will. > they wanted to be the only commercial source of the software The choice of AGPL tells me nothing more than what is stated in the license. And I definitely don't intend to close the source of any of my AGPL-licensed projects.

So fork the last minio, and work from there... nobody is stopping you.

aistor is proprietary software[1]. Having an old version of your software be open source does not make your software open-source. Why does this need an explanation?

[1] https://www.min.io/legal/aistor-free-agreement

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by everfrustrated »

victormy wrote: post #334
everfrustrated wrote: post #313

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RustFS has rug-pull written all over it. You can bookmark this comment for the future. 100% guaranteed it will happen. Only question is when.

Lol, maybe you should fund the RustFS team yourself or sponsor a top-tier legal team for them. If you can help them rewrite their CLAs and guarantee they'll never face any IP risks down the road, then sure, you're 100% right.

Interesting that all your comments are shilling for RustFS

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by jhbadger »

skeledrew wrote: post #225
account42 wrote: post #182

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A social contract isn't a legal contract to begin with, but even for those "written or explicitly spoken" is not a hard requirement.

A social contract still has to be explicit in some way to be considered such. Otherwise it's just an accepted convention .

That's not what a social contract is you are thinking of a legal contract, something very different. A social contract is by definition, implicit rather than explicit.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by kube-system »

hdjrudni wrote: post #317
kube-system wrote: post #228

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That is ridiculous. If you buy a sandwich for a homeless person, you do not need to warn them that you won't give them another one tomorrow. If you think generosity is an obligation of slavery, you have your morals backwards. However, almost every open source license actually DOES warn that support may end. See the warranty clause. https://github.com/minio/minio/blob/master/LICENSE#L587

If you give them a free sandwich every day for 500 days.....yeah, you should probably tell them you're not coming tomorrow.

Okay, well they did.
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