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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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> This is because they have strict laws against crime and these laws are actually enforced Just before this, you said it was because of CCTV. Is it the CCTV or the strict laws and enforcement? India and South Africa are democratic countries with large CCTV programs and high crime rates.

India has a very low crime rate. The homicide rate is 2 in 100,000. Murder/homicide is basically unheard of in major cities. For instance Mumbai has a homicide rate of 0.7 in 100,000 making it one of the safest cities in the world. https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/crime-in-india-s-larg... https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics... What are your sources?

The source is World Population Review. The US was used as an example of a country with higher crime that needed more CCTV to be safer. The US and India are almost identical in this ranking of crime.

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I think they take issue with how it was ultimately okay to do to catch the Joker as long as Batman didn't use it and gave power to Luscious who resigned, instead of just calling it out as terrible and not doing it. That's how I read their comment anyway. "apologia"

Most (all?) of Batman is based on the idea that sometimes you need a good guy who operates outside of the law. Given that Batman isn't real but the problems he encounters often are real, the natural conclusion is that we should make up for our low Batman levels by letting law enforcement off the chain. But this is hardly unique to Nolan. Probably 90% of Hollywood movies that involve crime have this message in some fo…

Well, a lot of Batman also expressly questions whether Batman is really good and emphasizes the point that he became Batman because of the trauma of seeing his parents murdered. Given that most of the villains he fights also have a tragic backstory, the suggestion is that he isn't really all that different from them.

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These kinds of resignations are interesting. The character is such a good protagonist, he resigns rather than do Bad Thing. But that pretty much guarantees the boss will hire someone more pliable. Why not instead swallow the pride and do Bad Thing but with some level of moderation? That would surely be a better outcome overall. The argument is that it would destroy the character's honor or whatever. But that is also…

> Why not instead swallow the pride and do Bad Thing but with some level of moderation? That would surely be a better outcome overall. This is a common debate, especially given current events in US politics. The theory goes that you can do more to effect change by staying inside the system than by resigning. For powerful positions, it doesn’t really work if there is significant disagreement about what’s being done. I…

Sometimes, though, it's a question of retaining actual power vs. sending a message that won't be listened to by the people who need to hear it. Jan 6-7 2021 could have ended very differently if Mike Pence and the other relatively normal Republicans in Trump's first administration had resigned in protest at some earlier point and been replaced by loyalists.

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That system is nothing compared to the geolocation databases curated by Apple and Google, with GPS sensors combined with Wi-Fi wardriving, IMEI tracking, cell tower handoffs, and the rest of the insane amount of telemetry they collect collect in real time. And that’s before even considering BLE and the Find My network. Imagine the “God mode” dashboards they could have in Cupertino (or more likely, in Mountain View).

I'm sorry but I just don't think that's the threat at all. I think these companies actually realize the existential risk and harm this data has, and do a lot to anonymize it quickly & effectively. If the government was actively backdooring Apple or Google to get realtime data like this, it would be found, and it would be a shitstorm that would greatly impact these companies. We really need to get a little more discer…

Those companies are all in the same unethical goddamn country, controlled by the same unethical goddamn goverment.

Where is the real harm coming from? America is the answer.

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Go back a little bit further to another Morgan Freeman movie - Se7en (1995) and a big plot point was that it is unthinkable for big brother to be keeping records of what library books people are checking out. Times sure have changed...

Having rewatched that movie recently I found it absurd that all the killer would have had to have done to evade capture was purchase books with cash.

Slight digression and spoiler alert, but, IIRC, wasn't it a significant part of the plot that he wanted to be caught?

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For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth: sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film w…

I had no idea that people seriously think that the film isn't satire - I thought it was just people who had barely paid attention to it and weren't really giving it much thought that didn't spot the satirical elements throughout the film. They're even wearing fascist style uniforms and all the commercials are so over-the-top. Maybe part of it is due to how it was promoted - in the UK, it was promoted as satire, but I…

> They're even wearing fascist style uniforms and all the commercials are so over-the-top

The big clue to me is when they visit the recruiter. The man is sitting at a desk and says something along the lines of "the galactic marines made me the man I am today", only for him to push back and reveal he's lost both his legs.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mLt-lDOzD1k

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>We see the asteroid fired at Earth. No, we don't. The bugs have no technology. How could they send an asteroid from light-years away with enough speed and accuracy to hit Earth on any reasonable timeframe? It's not even a good lie. It's a story that strains credulity the second you actually think about its logistics. The only reason you believe it is that characters in the movie say it. >We see Buenos Aires destroye…

>The bugs have no technology. The bugs are shown firing projectiles to orbit. This is a setting with FTL travel; it's clearly not hard sci-fi. By the standard narrative conventions of soft sci-fi action movies, the bugs are capable of firing asteroids at Earth. >The true cause of the destruction is irrelevant It's critically important to the ethical justification for military response. According to the information ac…

> the standard narrative conventions of soft sci-fi action movies

What if the real fascist propaganda was implicit in the standard narrative conventions we made along the way?

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It's said that Starship Troopers failed to do as well in USA because people thought it was pro-fascist propaganda ... it doesn't seem possible that could genuinely be the case.

It's mad that people actually side with the aliens.

Next they'll be expecting sentient lifeforms to be given rights! Madness!!

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Wait until he sees the main character is a super hero

Batman is technically not a super (as in superhuman) hero, though. He's just rich and determined.

Wait till he sees a billionaire sacrificing himself for others.
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