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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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If he was paying taxes during that time period he was also committing a felony.

All you need to pay taxes is an SSN. One can get an SSN in many ways, e.g. long ago on another visa. Same as income to pay on -- can be earned in many ways.

You don't even need that. The IRS will give you a TIN to pay taxes with if you don't have an SSN.

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“allow google to search for devices on your network?” I’m not trying to be condescending here, but I’m just asking what someone thinks is happening here and what they can do with information scanned on your network.

I don't follow how that's relevant? In terms of the information yielded by an administrative subpoena of an account will that even appear? I'm not clear how the result of the scan is being used. Suppose the data is retained in association with your pseudonymous account. So now in addition to my IP they have, what, the internal IPs and device names from my LAN? How does that lead directly to me without significant add…

Just off the top of my head:

Here two other devices, that we know who belongs to, daily connecting to the wifi as yours

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So what about the Amsterdam government handing over the records to the new Nazi government in the past century? Under the back then new laws this was legal and lead to the genocide of countless people who happened to have the wrong belief listed in that data. Please never make the mistake to confuse something being legal for something being fair or ethical.

I wouldn't give any power at all to Hitler. I wouldn't name him head of state. I wouldn't even let him vote in a town hall meeting about fixing a water main leak. By the principles you have stated, then, I shouldn't let anyone be head of state, and I shouldn't let anyone vote to fix water main leaks?

So what you say is that if someone is clearly ethically wrong, it doesn't matter whether it is legal or not.

That is also my opinion. If we are lucky, we are born into a society in which what we perceive to be right aligns with what the rules say. The next step down on the luck ladder would be a society where there is misalignment in some cases, but there are mechanisms you couls use to change the rules (as is the case in most free countries), and then there are cases where not only are the rules unfair, but you have no way of changing them. In that case resistance is only way to deal with it.

Now with the wisdom of hindsight you can say, the Nazis were clearly bad. But this was much harder to see for thr people during the time. I know because one of my grandfathers was in the Wehrmacht while the other hated the Nazis. Money quote (translated from German): "Everybody thought Hitler would make Germany great again".

My grandfather died in 2009.

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That guy had been overstaying a tourist visa for something like 17 years, and only started the green card process in April 2025. I don't think people who have overstayed tourist visas for 17 years should be eligible for any kind of permanent residency in the US, and would support laws making it impossible for someone in his position to get a green card or a work permit. The fact that he is a white Irishman is legally…

The first lady originally came to the US on a tourist visa before getting work as a model and eventually applying for a green card several years later. Musk came to the US on a student visa for a program that he never actually enrolled in. Even if you want to argue its "race-neutral", it's certainly not "proximity to the president neutral" so it still is very much "Gestapo-like behavior".

This constant dilution of how bad the Gestapo were is appalling.

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You can’t do that. If you think you can, you haven’t tried recently. They all require phone numbers, and they almost all require phone numbers tied to ID-based names. They require CC even when you aren’t buying stuff. It’s very difficult even for experts to achieve truly pseudonymous use.

A prepaid SIM or burner phone can still be purchased no? I believe the CC requirement can be bypassed if you create your Apple ID from trying to "purchase" a free app (or for the accounts that do require payment, I wonder if a gift card can be used).

You’re leaking your IP+timestamp, which is a physical address. Now try making an account from a VPN IP and a burner number.

It always gets tied back to your ID.

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It's more nuanced than "the federal government is too powerful." I feel more like non-law-enforcement agencies like ICE are too powerful right now, but I also believe that the FBI and the DOJ had a good mandate that should be preserved. And I also believe that antitrust needs to be a high priority. Please don't lump me in with people who just want to tear it all down so they can live in a fiefdom. There are good peop…

If you've had a 100%-tolerance policy to illegal immigration for years then that's the government not being powerful enough, or not using its power to the correct level for its citizens. If there's a better, gentler fix for illegal immigration then everyone would absolutely love that, but it's such a huge thing to tackle due to the previous years' encouraging of illegal migration.

There has not been anything remotely resembling “100%-tolerance policy to illegal immigration” in the US in the last forty years.

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There will always be the opportunity for the foibles of humans to affect the procedures of the law. Trying to play "guess if the shadowy government agency is doing the right thing this week" is a losing game. They always take the proverbial mile, they are not ever going to be satisfied with the inch.

There’s definitely been variability in how far government agencies have been pushing under this administration. It’s going to get interesting if the next Democrat in the white house takes similar steps based on current precedent. That would hopefully result in long term reforms, but we might just be heading to civil war regardless.

> The problem I was listening to a historian discuss the other day is that we're stuck in a cycle of:

> 1. Republican breaks norms/laws

> 2. Democrat cleans up after, but by not breaking norms, doesn't go far enough to actually undo all the damage

> 3. We end up with a more broken governmental configuration, and head back to (1)

> They said this pattern goes back to Nixon.

This is set to continue, else they wouldn't be pushing for Newsom.

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If I'm reading you right, you're saying if one country does something bad, that makes it OK for another country to do the same? You can likely find a country in the world doing any heinous thing you can think of, so is everything on the table? What about positive things? Lots of countries have socialized medicine, so by your logic doesn't that mean the US should, too? And if you think activism is bad for non-resident…

No, you're so far off base I don't really know how you even got there. My point is purely that it is 100% inappropriate for a guests in our country to be pushing for political change in our own country.

Once upon a same, the exact same argument was made against women or black slaves pushing for political change.

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Please don't fulminate or advocate violence here. HN is not the place for this kind of rhetoric. You may not owe federal government agents better, but you owe the HN community better if you want to participate here. We've had to ask you many times to observe the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Then what place is? Genuine question. It seems like not a single such place remains, intentionally, as the owners of all these places decided in their group Whatsapp chat when it turned out the majority of the population rightly understood the United Healthcare case was a net positive to society.

While of course turning a blind eye to the exact same rhetoric when "ICE Agent" is ctrl+r'ed by "Russian soldier".

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Please don't fulminate or advocate violence here. HN is not the place for this kind of rhetoric. You may not owe federal government agents better, but you owe the HN community better if you want to participate here. We've had to ask you many times to observe the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Then what place is? Genuine question. It seems like not a single such place remains, intentionally, as the owners of all these places decided in their group Whatsapp chat when it turned out the majority of the population rightly understood the United Healthcare case was a net positive to society. While of course turning a blind eye to the exact same rhetoric when "ICE Agent" is ctrl+r'ed by "Russian soldier".

> While of course turning a blind eye to the exact same rhetoric when "ICE Agent" is ctrl+r'ed by "Russian soldier".

We make a point of not moderating HN in that way. The guidelines are clear that HN is for curious conversation not waging battle, and idealizing violence is never OK here, no matter the nationality of the imagined target. We consider this important because we want this to be a place where people from all countries can participate in discussions as individuals and not feel threatened with violence because of where they were born.

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