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Re: GitHub is down again

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Post by munk-a »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #259
munk-a wrote: post #186

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Upper management in Microsoft has been bragging about their high percentage of AI generated code lately - and in the meantime we've had several disastrous Windows 11 updates with the potential to brick your machine and a slew of outages at github. I'm sure it might be something else but it's clear part of their current technical approach is utterly broken.

Utterly broken - perhaps, but apparently that's not exclusive with being highly profitable, so why should they care?

When I first typed up my comment I said "their current business approach" and then corrected it to technical since - yea, in the short term it probably isn't hurting their pocket books too much. The issue is that it seems like a lot more folks are seriously considering switching off Windows - we'll see if this actually is the year of the linux desktop (it never seems to be in the end) but it certainly seems to be souring their brand reputation in a major way.

Re: GitHub is down again

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Post by ianburrell »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #254
burningChrome wrote: post #58

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At its core antitrust cases are about monopolies and how companies use anti-competitive conduct to maintain their monopoly. Github isn't the only source control software in the market. Unless they're doing something obvious and nefarious, its doubtful the justice department will step in when you can simply choose one of many others like Bitbucket, Sourcetree, Gitlab, SVN, CVS, Fossil, DARCS, or Bazaar. There's just t…

Minimal changes have occurred to the concept of “antitrust” since its inception as a form of societal justice against corporations, at least per my understanding. I doubt policymakers in the early 1900s could have predicted the impact of technology and globalization on the corporate landscape, especially vis a vis “vertical integration”. Personally, I think vertical integration is a pretty big blind spot in laws and…

There was a change in the enforcement of antitrust law in the 1970s. Consumer welfare, which came to mean lower prices, is the standard. Effectively normal competition is fine and takes egregious behavior to be violation. It even assumes that big companies are more efficient which makes up for lack of competition.

The other change is reluctance to break up companies. AT&T break up was big deal. Microsoft survived being broken up in its antitrust trial. Tech companies can only be broken up vertically, but maybe the forced competition would be enough.

Re: GitHub is down again

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Post by krrishd »

stefankuehnel wrote: post #49

You can literally watch GitHub explode bit by bit. Take a look at the GitHub Status History; it's hilarious: https://www.githubstatus.com/history .

I was sort of hoping this would be a year-to-date visualization similar to Github profile contribution graphs...

Re: GitHub is down again

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Post by ajross »

progmetaldev wrote: post #329
ajross wrote: post #269

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I think this is being downvoted unfairly. I mean, sure, as a company accepting payment for services, being down for a few hours every few months is notably bad by modern standards. But the inward-looking point is correct: git itself is a distributed technology, and development using it is distributed and almost always latency-tolerant. To the extent that github's customers have processes that are dependent on service…

There are still some processes that require a waterfall method for development, though. One example would be if you have a designer, and also have a front-end developer that is waiting for a feature to be complete to come in and start their development. I know on HN it's common for people to be full-stack developers, or for front-end developers to be able to work with a mockup and write the code before a designer get…

> There are still some processes that require a waterfall method for development, though

Not on the 2-4 hour latency scale of a GitHub outage though. I mean, sure, if you have a process that requires the engineering talent to work completely independently on day-plus timescales and/or do all their coordination offline, then you're going to have a ton of trouble staffing[1] that team.

But if your folks can't handle talking with the designers over chat or whatnot to backfill the loss of the issue tracker for an afternoon, then that's on you.

[1] It can obviously be done! But it's isomorphic to "put together a Linux-style development culture", very non-trivial.

Re: GitHub is down again

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Post by porise »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #324
porise wrote: post #287

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I've had two accounts. I changed because I don't like the history (maybe one other person has the same opinion I did?). Anyways it's pretty obvious why this is an issue. Microsoft has a historical issue with being brutal to competition. There is no oversight as to what they do with the private data on GitHub. It's absolutely an antitrust issue. Do you need more reasoning?

Didn't you just privately tell me it was 4 accounts? Maybe that was someone else hating on Windows 95. But you need an active reason not what they did 20 years ago.

Nope. If someone did that it should be reported if it's against the rules here.
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