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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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The problem is that open-source projects funded by the taxpayer bring nothing long term to create companies that can compete or generate economic growth or develop future industries. They would be much better off creating a more business friendly environment and supporting private businesses through grants, procurements, etc the way the US are good at.

This comment misses the point and argues against something unrelated. It's fundamentally a data sovereignty and security move, not a commercial one. It's neither pro or anti business. This or "creating a more business friendly environment" policies is a false dichotomy. That could be done too via other means. It is unrelated. Speaking about this "business friendly" only is either misdirection or myopic.

You seem to be arguing for the sake of argument while avoiding the substance of my point by discarding it as "unrelated" while it is fundamentally on point.

If the aim is indeed sovereignty, data and software (and this is software not data), and in general, then they need an effective and comprehensive plan. I think taxpayer-funded state-developed open-source software brings very little at a high cost and can even be counter-productive. Frankly I think it is apolitical move internal to the French state to keep the gavy train coming to government agencies.

Rather I think the US, and also China that does it even more, are much more effective at this by throwing money at the marketplace to develop a whole ecosystem competitively that can also compete globally. An important thing to note here is that EU rules prevent a lot of state action (for instance they would not be allowed to buy only French cars or do things seen as direct subsidies, etc)

France will continue to fall further behind unless it really gets it act together, which is unlikely TBH.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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this sounds like something super weird about the setup - it really should just work. what client and server was it?

Element web and mobile have the same issue; server I'm not sure, where can I see this? I would assume the default/reference implementation but I don't know Groups work btw, it's just private chats that cannot be initiated from either side (I have like five pending 'rooms' or something now), so it's not that one server banned the other. I just took it for typical matrix experience

it sounds like the hackspace server has been banned from inviting due to spam or something. can you share the name of the server so we can check? or mail abuse@matrix.org with the details.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Europe is a little bit busy bleeding money for defence if you hadn't noticed. There's only so many 50bn EUR it can conjure up for something

It's fine, we don't need it all tomorrow. There's no credible threat right now, Russia's got their hands full with Ukraine.

A BND (German intel) analysis shows otherwise.

"The BND stated that these expenditures are being used not only to sustain the ongoing war in Ukraine but also to expand Russia’s sub-threshold operations against countries on NATO’s eastern flank."

https://defence24.com/armed-forces/half-of-the-defence-budge...

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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The subject is not employers, don't get sidetracked. I don't particularly give a shit about employer's costs either. The initial claim is "82% of wages go to taxes", which is inaccurate, a lie and a bad faith argument.

> I don't particularly give a shit about employer's costs either So you don't care about the size of your salary? Fair enough... It's all the same to them, whether the social insurance contributions are shown on your payslip or not is just an accounting detail. It's still a tax on labour and no different that the share you are paying.

No, my employer's costs are not part of my salary. The proof of it being that employers have never raised salaries in response to their social contributions going down.

Please stop being so dense.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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post #333

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It's fine, we don't need it all tomorrow. There's no credible threat right now, Russia's got their hands full with Ukraine.

A BND (German intel) analysis shows otherwise. "The BND stated that these expenditures are being used not only to sustain the ongoing war in Ukraine but also to expand Russia’s sub-threshold operations against countries on NATO’s eastern flank." https://defence24.com/armed-forces/half-of-the-defence-budge...

Fuck the BND

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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I don't use Element myself but there was a recent HN discussion where people said it had improved significantly in last year or two.

After having the same experience negative some time before Covid, I was kindly invited late last year to a homeserver of a local hackerspace and I gave it another try. I cannot send messages to people on another homeserver (such as the obscure matrix.org one) whereas other people can, as well as some other issues which I forgot by now. Not at all usable. It was a short-lived stint and I didn't even try to enable encr…

This sounds very much along the lines of issues I had with it. It's been a while so I can't remember the exact details, but I do remember it being impossible to open a thread without the app just locking up and crashing, so people would ask important questions in a thread and nobody was ever able to reply or even read the question.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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> Definitely a source of slowness. I would first blame the programmers, the design and lack of specialty offloading before blaming any programming language. Well designed web calls scale nearly linearly with usage and usually poor design or programming is the source of slowness. You can always trade language complexity for speed but assuming it is the cause of all perceived slowness is a poor man's view. It is the sa…

Python is slow, though, and so was java compared to other compiled languages of its time. Sure, it might not matter much if you're mostly doing database calls. If you're not, though, then yes, it's the languages fault if your app is slow. You can try to make it faster, but it's gonna be marginal gains. Or, you could just switch to another language and get a 100x speedup for free. I also denounce the notion that tradi…

Slow_er_. For all programs talked about in this thread it is fast enough. Especially if you don’t need to host it at Microsoft/Google scale.

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More like they don't even need Pegasus to get Androids.

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Android has a higher bounty than Iphone. Anyway, sorry about your easily hackable phone. Hope you arent a VIP.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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> I don't particularly give a shit about employer's costs either So you don't care about the size of your salary? Fair enough... It's all the same to them, whether the social insurance contributions are shown on your payslip or not is just an accounting detail. It's still a tax on labour and no different that the share you are paying.

No, my employer's costs are not part of my salary. The proof of it being that employers have never raised salaries in response to their social contributions going down. Please stop being so dense.

I must assume you are trolling at this point... Or lack a very basic understanding of the of finance and economics.

> never raised salaries in response to their social contributions going down.

Clearly fixable with a very simple law since some other countries somehow managed to achieve this.

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