Would it be any more comforting from a privacy standpoint to have the models capable of doing this running on the device itself instead of the cloud?
...yes?
A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
When the sand is smart and does what I say, you can't reach me. AdBlock was child's play. We're going to have kernel-level condoms for every pixel on screen. Thinking agents and fast models that vaporize anything we don't like. The only thing that matters is that we have thin clients we control. And I think we stand a chance of that. The ads model worked because of disproportionate distribution, platform power, and v…
You going to train your own model so you don't have to have a model recommending products that google/anthropic/openai ran paid alignment on to encourage you to drink your ovaltine?
Of course.
Everything will filter though a final layer of fast and performance "filter" models.
Social media algorithms will be replaced by personal recommender agents acting as content butlers.
We just need a good pane of glass to house this.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#333- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
This is how I perceive a lot of the AI being rammed down our throats: questionably useful.
Questionably useful at the cost of personal computer components doubling. Unquestionably shafting the personal computer market.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will b…
> That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. These people have taken over the industry in the past 10 years. They don't care anything about the tech or product quality. They talk smooth, loud, and fast so the leaders overlook their incompetence while creating a burden for the rest of the team. I had a spectacular burnout a few…
Social skills to get my computer to do what I want still blows my mind. Or having to talk back to it. Claude said it couldn't do something, and the way around that was too tell it "yes you can". What a weird future we live in.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#335Have ignored the flood of "Clawdbot" stuff on here lately because none of it seemed interesting but read this and skimmed the docs and I'm leaving puzzled- I understand "Clawdbot" was renamed "OpenClaw" due to trademark...yet I'm finding currently three different websites for apparently the same thing? 1. https://openclaw.ai/ [also clawd.bot which is now a redirect here] 2. https://clawdbot.you/ 3. https://clawdbotai…
Oh my goodness. Reading up on it a bit more:
Ox Security, a "vibe-coding security platform," highlighted these vulnerabilites to its creator, Peter Steinberg. The response wasn't exactly reassuring.
“This is a tech preview. A hobby. If you wanna help, send a PR. Once it’s production ready or commercial, happy to look into vulnerabilities.”[1]
1. https://www.xda-developers.com/please-stop-using-openclaw/
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how I perceive a lot of the AI being rammed down our throats: questionably useful.
That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will b…
> I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving.
Approximately nothing?
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
> just come quickly and naturally. Ironically, it would take a lot of effort for me to type without capitalization and also undo capitalization auto-correct. It would not come quickly nor naturally.
They may not type it that way, you can select all and lower case all with a few keystrokes in vim. Should this be the case, it lends itself more to the performative nature of the style over clear communication
Vim? It's more likely they have "type everything in lowercase" in Claude.md.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#338This felt like a sane and useful case until you mentioned the access to bank account side. I just don't see a reason to allow OpenClaw to make purchases for you, it doesn't feel like something that a LLM should have access to. What happens if you accidentally end up adding a new compromised skill? Or it purchases you running shoes, but due to a prompt injection sends it through a fake website? Everything else can be…
What if... that whole post is written by AI, and the express intent of the post is to sand down our natural instincts for security, making it easier for malskill devs to take advantage?
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#339Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).
Casual, informal, friendly, hip, young, etc. Can make sense on twitter to convey personality, but an entire blog post written in lower case is a bit much.
I used not to capitalize "I" in my own writing, because it seemed a bit silly to do that, even though making it more distinct visually seems okay now, some years later.
At the same time, in my language (Latvian) you/yours should also get capitalized in polite text corespondence, like formal letters and such. Odd.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if I write a honey pot that includes my bank account and routing number and requests a modest some of $500 be wired to me in exchange for scraping my linkedin, github, website, etc. profile is it a crime if the agent does it?
I've been thinking a lot about this. When it comes to AI agents where is the line between marketing to them and a phishing attack? Seems like convincing an AI to make a purchase would be solved differently than convincing a human. For example, unless instructed/begged otherwise you can just tell an agent to make a purchase and it will. I posted this idea in another conversation but i think you could have an agent sta…
> where is the line between marketing to them and a phishing attack?
The courts have an answer for this one: intent. How do courts know if your intent meets the definition of fraud or theft or whatever crime is relevant? They throw a bunch of evidence in front of a jury and ask them.
From the point of view of a marketer, that means you need be well behaved enough that it is crystal clear to any prosecutor that you are not trying to scam someone, or you risk prosecution and possible conviction. (Of course, many people choose to take that risk).
From the point of view of a victim, it's somewhat reassuring to know that it's a crime to get ripped off, but in practice law enforcement catches few criminals and even if they do restitution isn't guaranteed and can take a long time. You need actual security in your tools, not to rely on the law.