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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Why don't you think they have file cabinets and paper records?

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> Western liberal democracies just rarely use it. Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. > Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. Though things like that can happen, which are very serious.

> Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. As we're seeing with the current US President... the government doesn't (have to) care. In any case, CSAM is the one thing other than Islamist terrorism that will bypass a lot of restrictions on how police are supposed to operate (see e.g. Encrochat, An0m) across virtually all civilized nations. Western nations also will take…

> As we're seeing with the current US President

Well, that's particular to the US. It just shows that checks and balances are not properly implemented there, just previous presidents weren't exploiting it maliciously for their own gains.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Elon's in the files asking Epstein about "wild parties" and then doesn't seem to care about all this. Easy to draw a conclusion here.

Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

Who knows who did what on this island, and I hope we'll figure it out. But in the meantime, going to this island or/and being friend with Epstein doesn't automatically make someone a pedo or rapist.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Of course they will not lock the data but hide it, and put some redacted or otherwise innocent files in their place.

That sounds awfully difficult to do perfectly without personally signing up for extra jail time for premeditated violation of local laws. Like in that scenario, any reference to the unsanitized file or a single employee breaking omertà is proof that your executives and IT staff conspired to violate the law in a way which is likely to ensure they want to prosecute as maximally as possible. Law enforcement around the w…

These days you can probably ask an LLM to redact the files for you, so expect more of it.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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People having different opinions other than globalists elites is destabilizing to their reign :))

You meant to write "Literal russian state-sponsored bots"

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Why would X have offices in France? I'm assuming it's just to hire French workers? Probably leftover from the Pre Acquisition era. Or is there any France-specific compliance that must be done in order to operate in that country?

X makes its money selling advertising. France is the obvious place to have an office selling advertising to a large European French-speaking audience.

Yes, Paris is an international capital and centrally located for Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Many tech companies have sales offices there.

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In France it's possible without legal consequences (though immoral), if you call 119, you can push to have a baby taken from a family for no reason except that you do not like someone. Claim that you suspect there may be abuse, it will trigger a case for a "worrying situation". Then it's a procedural lottery: -> If you get lucky, they will investigate, meet the people, and dismiss the case. -> If you get unlucky, the…

I mean, that's surely not as simple as you make it out to be.

I've seen that during harassment; in one YouTube live the woman claimed:

    "today it's my husband to take care of him because sometimes my baby makes me angry that I want to kill him"
but she was saying it normally, like any normal person does when they are angry.

-> Whoops, someone talked with 119 to refer a "worrying" situation, baby removed. It's already two years.

There are some non-profit fighting against such: https://lenfanceaucoeur.org/quest-ce-que-le-placement-abusif...

That being said, it's a very small % obviously not let's not exaggerate but it's quite sneaky.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care.

This is pretty messed up btw.

Social work for children systems in the USA are very messed up. It is not uncommon for minority families to lose rights to parent their children for very innocuous things that would not happen to a non-oppressed class.

It is just another way for the justice/legal system to pressure families that have not been convicted / penalized under the supervision of a court.

And this isn't the only lever they use.

Every time I read crap like this I just think of Aaron Swartz.

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