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Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #322
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parking spaces are a drop in the bucket versus what is missing. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-parking-spot-sells-... That was 2022, $56k is probably about 10% of a one or two bedroom condo price. > The root cause is zoning laws; particularly the height restrictions as they currently stand. Tokyo is, as I understand it, the libertarian ideal for a city that doesn't let zoning get in the way of a good time…

I think there's a misunderstanding. I'm not claiming that parking space if charged at the market rate for an unimproved cement room in a high rise is particularly cheap. You can only fit so many cars within the footprint of a typical condo after all. I'm claiming that removing parking (ie converting the raw sq footage over to living space) would not meaningfully impact housing prices. The existence of parking, free o…

Parking garages in HCOLs are expensive, they definitely aren’t free. You can’t build a new multi family without planning for one or two levels of garage underneath. But you are correct that sub-basements, at least in the USA, wouldn’t have been used for living space anyways.

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

bsder wrote: post #283
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #243

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the situations you've described and the fact that our answer as a society is seemingly to throw up our hands at our inability to solve these situations other than by increasing the number of cars on the road in a way that funnels even more wealth to a tiny group of unfathomably wealthy sociopaths who also use ourour personal information to impact our spending habits... very depressing. i really hate it here.

Erm, what would you propose as an alternative answer? Presumably women are giving those creepy drivers bad ratings, and yet they are still on the road. So, that's clearly not working. Sure, the US should fix their transit system, but that doesn't help women now . So, the default answer becomes, "Get your own car, plebe." And that's super expensive and requires you to drive. Or, a woman can take a Waymo. I'm right the…

arm all women :)

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by kolbe »

infecto wrote: post #330
kolbe wrote: post #329

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I understand everything you have said. The D-K of you WSB transplants is wildly frustrating. If you'll notice, all I am doing is asking the brigade of snarky know-nothings to stop talking. I'm not pretentiously claiming to know, unlike all of you. You clearly aren't in any position to understand the internal working of Google, and it's unfortunate that HN used to be a place where a question like the original one woul…

Go take a breath and stop digging a hole. Nobody is being rude to you but you are highly inflammatory and honestly a real lowering of quality. Take a bit of your medicine and step away. I am sorry you feel the need to be so rude back to everyone. You are not “just asking questions.” You are dismissing any analysis that is not insider gossip as illegitimate, which is a convenient way to avoid engaging with the substan…

> I think the words are going over your head sorry.

(You)

> Nobody is being rude to you

(Also you)

I guess things are only rude if they're said to you, and not by you? Seems logically consistent with all your other takes.

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by fc417fc802 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #331
fc417fc802 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a misunderstanding. I'm not claiming that parking space if charged at the market rate for an unimproved cement room in a high rise is particularly cheap. You can only fit so many cars within the footprint of a typical condo after all. I'm claiming that removing parking (ie converting the raw sq footage over to living space) would not meaningfully impact housing prices. The existence of parking, free o…

Parking garages in HCOLs are expensive, they definitely aren’t free. You can’t build a new multi family without planning for one or two levels of garage underneath. But you are correct that sub-basements, at least in the USA, wouldn’t have been used for living space anyways.

Right, I specifically called out that I agree with you on that. They aren't cheap. But then most places around here charge $50 or even $150 per month per parking space so it's not like the spots are being given away either.

> you are correct that sub-basements, at least in the USA, wouldn’t have been used for living space anyways.

That isn't what I said. I claimed that the amount of space dedicated to parking, if converted to housing, would not meaningfully reduce the housing shortage. It's a simple numbers game. The shortage is far larger than all of the current parking combined. We badly need to build much farther upwards but it is not permitted to anywhere near the extent necessary.

Another way of looking at it is to ask, if every unit of housing in a major city added additional square footage equal to a single car, would that make or break the market? Even at the scale of the entire market it would still be well under 10%, probably under 5%. The typical apartment in the US is definitely larger than a 5x2 grid of parking spaces. Meanwhile most HCoL cities could do with double the housing inventory at absolute minimum. Probably substantially more.

This is the same problem with reducing setbacks. Unscrupulous developers keep lobbying for that (and often getting it). We don't need to reduce buffer space. A few extra feet around the perimeter of a lot is nothing compared to doubling (or 3x, or 5x, or ...) the height.

We are suffocating under our own political dysfunction.

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by infecto »

kolbe wrote: post #333
infecto wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go take a breath and stop digging a hole. Nobody is being rude to you but you are highly inflammatory and honestly a real lowering of quality. Take a bit of your medicine and step away. I am sorry you feel the need to be so rude back to everyone. You are not “just asking questions.” You are dismissing any analysis that is not insider gossip as illegitimate, which is a convenient way to avoid engaging with the substan…

> I think the words are going over your head sorry. (You) > Nobody is being rude to you (Also you) I guess things are only rude if they're said to you, and not by you? Seems logically consistent with all your other takes.

I definitely modulated my tone to match yours and some of your killed comments. Sorry you don’t like what you see. Happy to have a discussion but not be told I am someone from Reddit. Low effort and low class. You are consistently being rude and you just need to reflect on some of your comments. Your right my comment back to you was definitely not nice but look at some of your killed comments. Ick.

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Post by belter »

kentm wrote: post #246
belter wrote: post #212

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Waymo is not solving driving , it is closer to a sophisticated Disney Parkland ride. It is running inside a tightly constrained Operational Design Domain: - Geofenced areas - HD pre-mapped roads - Curated infrastructure - Remote ops fallback This is not general autonomy, it is highend automation inside a controlled distribution. The system degrades exactly where humans do not: construction, unmapped lane shifts, poli…

I’m pretty sure people vastly overstate how important “HD pre-mapped roads” are to Waymo.

I am pretty sure you are underestimating how important it is for them. But we can look at their own scientific publications.[1]

No maps no driving....carnival ride...

"High Definition (HD) maps are maps with precise definitions of road lanes with rich semantics of the traffic rules. They are critical for several key stages in an autonomous driving system, including motion forecasting and planning. However, there are only a small amount of real-world road topologies and geometries, which significantly limits our ability to test out the self-driving stack to generalize onto new unseen scenarios..."

[1] - https://waymo.com/research/hdmapgen-a-hierarchical-graph-gen...

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by kolbe »

infecto wrote: post #335
kolbe wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the words are going over your head sorry. (You) > Nobody is being rude to you (Also you) I guess things are only rude if they're said to you, and not by you? Seems logically consistent with all your other takes.

I definitely modulated my tone to match yours and some of your killed comments. Sorry you don’t like what you see. Happy to have a discussion but not be told I am someone from Reddit. Low effort and low class. You are consistently being rude and you just need to reflect on some of your comments. Your right my comment back to you was definitely not nice but look at some of your killed comments. Ick.

Sure thing boss. What other advice stemming from your vast experience, wealth, and psychological heath do you have for me? I'd love to improve my image to you... the "ick" police.

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by bsder »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #332
bsder wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erm, what would you propose as an alternative answer? Presumably women are giving those creepy drivers bad ratings, and yet they are still on the road. So, that's clearly not working. Sure, the US should fix their transit system, but that doesn't help women now . So, the default answer becomes, "Get your own car, plebe." And that's super expensive and requires you to drive. Or, a woman can take a Waymo. I'm right the…

arm all women :)

I like humor, however, for the peanut gallery who might not get sarcasm:

Every credible scientific study of women and guns in the last two decades strongly indicates that a firearm in a woman’s home is far more likely to be used against her or her family than to defend against an outside attacker.

More women carrying guns makes them more likely to get shot, and, mostly, not by strangers.

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by infecto »

kolbe wrote: post #337
infecto wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely modulated my tone to match yours and some of your killed comments. Sorry you don’t like what you see. Happy to have a discussion but not be told I am someone from Reddit. Low effort and low class. You are consistently being rude and you just need to reflect on some of your comments. Your right my comment back to you was definitely not nice but look at some of your killed comments. Ick.

Sure thing boss. What other advice stemming from your vast experience, wealth, and psychological heath do you have for me? I'd love to improve my image to you... the "ick" police.

What are we arguing about here? My point was $3bn is minority to the total investment but it does signal some intent. It’s also no chump change.

Sorry no advice for you but relax and step back!

Re: Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation

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Post by dietr1ch »

jFriedensreich wrote: post #35

No product had such a fast transition from novelty to "omg i never want to interact with a human again". I feel about 100% less stressed and happier using a waymo or riding motorbike or bicycle next to a waymo than with human drivers. I hope this next phase will bring availability and prices down. We need this in europe.

I just want a fucking bus with a professional driver in it. Or even better, a subway
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