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Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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I can do as much smut as I want through the API for all SOTA models.

true, but: 1. you have to "jailbreak" the model first anyway, which is what's easier to do over API 2. is average layman aware of the concept of "API"? no, unlikely. apps and web portals are more convenient, which is going to lower the bar to access LLM porn

I don't have to jailbreak the models over APIs lol.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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It’s interesting that many comments mention switching back to Claude. I’m on the opposite end, as I’ve been quite happy with ChatGPT recently. Anthropic clearly changed something after December last year. My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit, which never happened before. In contrast, ChatGPT has been very generous with usage on their plan. Another pattern I’…

I've been impressed by how good ChatGPT is at getting the right context old conversations. When I ask simple programming questions in a new conversation it can generally figure out which project I'm going to apply it to, and write examples catered to those projects. I feel that it also makes the responses a bit more warm and personal.

ChatGPT is what work pays for so it's what I've used. I find it grossly verbose and obsequious, but you can find useful nuggets in the vomit it produces.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Not having my job would be a tiny price to pay compared to the benefit of living in a world with no advertisements.

“No advertisements” seems extreme to me. I want to know when a good band is playing at a local venue, or has an album out. I like hearing about new books, or a restaurant near me. The absolutist position that “all ads are always bad” is a non-starter for me. Especially as long as we exist in a capitalist system. Small business, indie creators, etc. must advertise in some fashion to survive. It’s only the behemoths th…

>I’ve never really understood why, e.g. Pepsi and Coke spend so much on advertising

When was the last time you saw an ad for something non digital and you stopped everything and bought it or even made concrete plans to do so later ? Probably almost never right ? So why still so many ads ? More importantly, why is it still so profitable ?

Because much of the impact of advertising is sub conscious imprint rather than conscious action. Have you ever been in a grocery store and you needed to get something and picked a "random" brand ? Yeah, that choice may not have been so random after all. Or perhaps you're sitting at home or work and have a sudden seemingly unprompted craving for . Yeah, maybe not so unprompted.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Best I can do is [1] Sentient Lesbian Em-Dashes and [2] An AI hallucination made real for now. The man's probably thinking something up though. "Pounded in the butt by Microslop Agentic Studio 2026" has a ring. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Sentient-Lesbian-Em-Dash-Punctuation-... [2] https://www.amazon.com/Last-Algorithm-Pounded-Claimed-Sun-Ti...

> Sentient Lesbian Em-Dashes Looked at the cover and saw “From Two Time Hugo Award Finalist Chuck Tingle”. There’s no way that’s true. But I did a quick search anyway, and holy shit! https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2016-hugo-awards/... https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2017-hugo-awards/... The story behind it: https://www.quora.com/How-did-Chuck-Tingle-become-a-Hugo-Awa... https://archive.ph/20160…

They wrote a book about it too, "Slammed In The Butt By My Hugo Award Nomination".

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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> We’re continuing to make progress toward a version of ChatGPT designed for adults over 18, grounded in the principle of treating adults like adults, and expanding user choice and freedom within appropriate safeguards. To support this, we’ve rolled out age prediction for users under 18 in most markets. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/12652064-age-prediction-... interesting

This is for advertising purposes, not porn. They might feign that's the reason, but it's to allow alcohol & pharma to advertise, no doubt.

Bingo. There’s laws around advertising to children all over the world.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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There are many companies making money off alcohol addiction, video game addiction, porn addiction, food addiction, etc. Should we outlaw all these things? Should we regulate them and try to make them safe? If we can do that for them, can't we do it for AI sex chat?

And that makes it all alright doesn’t it? There are also gangs making money off human trafficking? Does that make it OK for a corporation to make money off human trafficking as well? And there are companies making money off wars? When you argue with whataboutism, you can just point to whatever you like, and somehow that is an argument in your favor.

They aren't doing whataboutism. They are comparing prohibition/criminalization of a harmful industry to regulation, and the effects of both. Gambling isn't exactly good, but there is definitely a difference between a mafia bookies and regulated sports betting services and the second/third order effects from both. Treating drug use as a criminal act, as opposed to a healthcare problem, has very different societal effects.

Whataboutism is more like "Side A did bad thing", "oh yeah, what about side B and the bad things they have done". It is more just deflection. While using similar/related issues to inform and contextualize the issue at hand can also be overused or abused, but it is not the same as whataboutism, which is rarely productive.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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It’s interesting that many comments mention switching back to Claude. I’m on the opposite end, as I’ve been quite happy with ChatGPT recently. Anthropic clearly changed something after December last year. My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit, which never happened before. In contrast, ChatGPT has been very generous with usage on their plan. Another pattern I’…

> My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit,

I thought it was just me. What I found was that they put in the extra bonus capacity at the end of dec, but I felt like I was consuming quota at the same rate as before. And then afterwards consuming it faster than before.

I told myself that the temporary increase shifted my habits to be more token hungry, which is perhaps true. But I am unsure of that.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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There was a bug, since fixed, that erroneously capped at something like 60% of the limit, if you want to try again

You mean the harness bug on 26th? I'm aware. Just that the limit I mentioned happened since early January.

wouldn't the harness bug only affect claude code? I usually track my quota status via the web app and saw a similar effect as the GP

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Pointing out an inconsistency isn't always whataboutism (and I don't think it was in this case). An implied argument was made that we should regulate LLMs for the same reason that we regulate drugs (presumably addiction, original commenter wasn't entirely clear). It is entirely reasonable to wonder how that might extrapolate to other addictive activities. In fact we currently regulate those quite differently than dru…

> including the part where alcohol isn't considered to be a drug for some strange reason. It's not a strange reason. IIRC, most cultures have a culturally understood and tolerated intoxicant. In our culture, that's alcohol. Human culture is not some strange robotic thing, where the expectation is some kind hyper consistency in whatever narrow slice you look at.

I don't object to alcohol being tolerated. But I do think that distinguishing it from other drugs is odd. Particularly when the primary reason given for regulating other drugs is their addictiveness which alcohol shares.

We tolerate a recreational drug. Lots of people regularly consume a recreational drug and yet somehow society doesn't split at the seams. We should just acknowledge the reality. I think people would if not for all the "war on drugs" brainwashing. I think what we see is easily explained as it being easier to bury one's head in the sand than it is to give serious thought to ideas that challenge one's worldview or the law.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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>We brought GPT‑4o back after hearing clear feedback from a subset of Plus and Pro users, who told us they needed more time to transition key use cases, like creative ideation, and that they preferred GPT‑4o’s conversational style and warmth. This does verify the idea that OpenAI does not make models sycophantic due to attempted subversion by buttering up users so that that they use the product more, its because peop…

I think we underestimate the power that our unconscious and lizard brains have in shaping our behavior/preferences. I was using GPT for work and the sycophantic responses were eyerollingly annoying, but I still noticed that I got some sort of dopamine hit when it would saying something like "that is an incredibly insightful question. You are truly demonstrating a deep understanding of blah blah blah". Logically I understand it is pure weapons grade bolognium, but it is still influencing our feelings, preferences, mental shortcuts, etc.
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