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ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by MRtecno98 »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #308
smeej wrote: post #294

As a person who's worked in support roles in tech companies and has a working familiarity with Python but is not a software developer or engineer at all, it's been fascinating to watch the changes. In the last couple weeks, both Gemini and Claude have asked me, "Can I use the computer?" to answer some particular question. In both cases, my question to each was, "What computer? Mine, or do you have your own?" Here I h…

You’re seeing perspectives of the distributed system from inside the system. I’m building multi server multi agent products and they do apparently perceive (anthropomorphizing I know) their connected servers as other people.

They are just predicting the next token. In human text it's more common to talk to other people than a computer, so they end up talking to the computers like they were people.

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Post by lpcvoid »

hex4def6 wrote: post #318
lpcvoid wrote: post #272

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I don't understand why this is something special that somebody would need some LLM slop generation for? Any human can also do this in a few seconds using normal unix tooling.

That's like saying 'why give people calculators, when you can pull out a slide rule' The whole point is that you are enabling the LLM through tool use. The prompt might be "Download all the images on the wikipedia article for 'Ascetic', and print them on my dot matrix printer (the driver of which only accepts BMPs, so convert as needed)" Your solution using file / curl is just one part of the potential higher level p…

I am arguing LLMs should not be used for anything, since in my opinion their downsides outweigh their upsides.

Also, I don't consider LLMs a tool, because I can trust my tools, and I cannot trust anything an LLM outputs.

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Post by ivantop »

llbbdd wrote: post #240
ivantop wrote: post #213

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Honestly, I am also at a faang working on a tier 0 distributed system in infra and the amount of AI generated code that is shipped on this service is probably like 40%+ at this point.

I'm not surprised at all here, last time I worked in a FAANG there was an enormous amount of boilerplate (e.g. Spring), and it almost makes me weep for lost time to think how easy some of that would be now.

It’s not just boilerplate. This is a low level C++ service where latency and performance is critical (don’t want to get into too much detail since I’ll dox myself). I used to think the same thing as you: “Surely my job is safe because this system is very complex”. I used to think this would just replace front end engineers who write boilerplate react code. 95% of our codebase is not boilerplate. AI has found optimizations in how we store items, AI has alerted us to production issues (with some degree of accuracy, of course). I worry that traditional software engineering as we know it will disappear and these hybrid AI jobs will be what’s left.

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Post by ArtemGetman »

blobbers wrote: post #77

Did I miss the boat on chatgpt? Is there something more to it than the web chat interface? I jumped on the Claude Code bandwagon and I dropped off chatgpt. I find the chatgpt voice interface to be infuriating; it literally talks in circles and just spews summary garbage whenever I ask it anything remotely specific.

same experience - voice mode is dumbed down compared to text. ended up building my own voice interface that uses full claude/gpt/gemini models instead of the lobotomized voice versions. actually handles specific requests without the "go look it up yourself" cop-out. want to try it?

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Post by kristianp »

1980phipsi wrote: post #153
simonw wrote: post #2

Regular default ChatGPT can also now run code in Node.js, Ruby, Perl, PHP, Go, Java, Swift, Kotlin, C and C++. I'm not sure when these new features landed because they're not listed anywhere in the official ChatGPT release notes, but I checked it with a free account and it's available there as well.

I was able to install the D language compiler DMD by providing a .deb file. https://chatgpt.com/share/69781bb5-cf90-800c-8549-c845259c33...

So chatgpt can install any .deb file you upload to the chat? I wonder if openai intended that kind of thing to be allowed.

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Post by lpcvoid »

donkeybeer wrote: post #312
lpcvoid wrote: post #282

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# curl -s https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Sun.png | file - /dev/stdin: PNG image data, 256 x 256, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced That's it, two utilities almost everybody has installed.

Yes but now do the same for every bit of programming tooling, sysadmin configuration / debugging problem and concept out there. With just a few seconds to answer each reply.

It's called learning, and it used to be the hacker mindset to continuously improve. But I guess that died with slop generators.
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