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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by monooso »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272
boricj wrote: post #248

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The current US administration wants a captive Europe. One that buys its defense, energy and technology products from them. One that sells its territory, regulations and know-how to them. Ask the Department of State if they'd like a European-sized French attitude and strategic autonomy.

Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them.

This is an interesting take. You appear to be suggesting that the US has the EU's best interests at heart.

It ignores the fact that, on the rare occasion the Trump administration was not actively trying to undermine the EU, their "helpful advice" has always boiled down to "you should be more like us, and not being like us means you're failing."

My opinion, which I believe is common among Europeans, is that the opposite is true.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by pseudony »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #260
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #249

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India. Today India invited President of EU commission on its republic day & I feel like there are discussions on signing free trade agreement. I was in my car watching it live when I recognized the President of EU commissioner and I was like hey!! I feel like friendly relations of EU and India are definitely on the rise & I have said this previously as well and talked to my other cousins/family who works in Coding an…

I can't wait to see how many indians we are going to be forced to import due to that "free trade deal". They must have looked at how well it went in canada and said among themselves "now that's how you destroy a country we gotta get some of that". [EDIT] Hopefully national politicians get balls, more balls, and tell their MEPs to vote against it like the mercosur deal.

What little immigration we have from India are highly educated and thus quite productive individuals.

You’re (deliberately?) confusing the issue with e.g. illegal immigration or asylum seekers who often come from poor, war-torn areas with little education and possibly a very different mind-set.

I haven’t been accosted by roving gangs of well-educated IT Indians, I find the thought funny ;)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by skeletal88 »

cmiles8 wrote: post #230
swiftcoder wrote: post #149

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> “the sky is falling” rhetoric It's hardly rhetoric, from the European perspective. The EU is already embroiled in a proxy war against a major power in Ukraine, and are now faced with the prospect of their strongest erstwhile ally moving to annex EU territory. Simultaneous war on two fronts, where one opponent is deeply embedded in your supply chains, is an existential threat.

I’ll give you that the current US administration isn’t exactly scoring points for subtle diplomatic negotiation, but remember too that most of the United States was purchased from other countries. It’s not a completely bonkers idea that the US could purchase all or some of Greenland. In the end, we’ll probably just see a strengthening or enforcement of the existing treaty for US military use of Greenland which is all…

Yes, but the difference is that Denmark has said it many, many times, that it Does Not want to sell Greenland. The discussion should have ended there. But Trump kept saying "We will get it one way or the other" and did not rule out the use of force, etc. This is just insane and will alienate any allies. The Greenlanders also have said that they do not want to be part of the US. Some americans have joked that you could pay 100k to every greenlander and they would accept you happily, which would be totally stupid. They would lose the free education and free healthcare that Denmark provides currently. Having to pay for medical insurance or to send your children to university from Greenland would wipe out any of the money the US would pay to bribe the greenlanders. It would be an unbelievably bad deal for them.

You did not need any more strengthening of any military treaties with Denmark, the US could already open as any military bases on Greenland, there was nothing stopping you from doing that, sending more of your army there to deter China or Russia, or whatever else. Here, https://people.com/donald-trump-wants-ownership-greenland-ps... He is saying he needs to own it to personally feel good. How does this make sense diplomatically?

Any excuses you make will not make him look better or make him look like he can be trusted. If you want to achieve something in international politics have to be made carefully, not by threatening to annex Canada or parts of your allied countries.

Your president is just destroying the good image and goodwill towards the US with his 'negotiation style'. His style is childish bullying and temper tantrums, he can not be taken seriously as a reliable partner when he can say one thing today, and tomorrow say something totally different, even if you think you have reached an agreement with him on something.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jpadkins »

coffe2mug wrote: post #314
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't wait to see how many indians we are going to be forced to import due to that "free trade deal". They must have looked at how well it went in canada and said among themselves "now that's how you destroy a country we gotta get some of that". [EDIT] Hopefully national politicians get balls, more balls, and tell their MEPs to vote against it like the mercosur deal.

This BS should stop (even if you vote for AfD or National front) It is so difficult we still to get a working visa into Western EU. The way this is done is by total bureaucratic nature of Ausländerbehörde. When he was CTO from Netflix, Gaurav Agarwal Could not get a visa to relocate to Germany. (No more with Netflix) So even of one has > €80K salary and working in Apple or MS hq in Munich it is pain in the arse. On t…

Then EU citizens should support undocumented immigrants, as we do in the US. It is inhumane not to give them full welfare.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

surgical_fire wrote: post #276
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #219

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>2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. The regulations were insane. I imagine software is significantly easier, but there is a mountain of difference when it comes to electrical and plumbing.

> I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. If you are unwilling to follow regulations to sell your hardware here, then it tells me the regulations are already doing its job properly.

The issue was the sheer number of various regulations/standards/(taxes?) changing by country.

It was good enough for the US.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by coffe2mug »

jpadkins wrote: post #334
coffe2mug wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This BS should stop (even if you vote for AfD or National front) It is so difficult we still to get a working visa into Western EU. The way this is done is by total bureaucratic nature of Ausländerbehörde. When he was CTO from Netflix, Gaurav Agarwal Could not get a visa to relocate to Germany. (No more with Netflix) So even of one has > €80K salary and working in Apple or MS hq in Munich it is pain in the arse. On t…

Then EU citizens should support undocumented immigrants, as we do in the US. It is inhumane not to give them full welfare.

Is your first sentence sarcasm or you don't see news?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by shin_lao »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

EU market is by no mean easy, it's heavily fragmented requiring very often intense localization effort.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by rawgabbit »

rawgabbit wrote: post #329

Isn't that what "LaSuite" is? I know this particular instance is for the French government; but isn't it open source? https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr

I found the answer in the FAQ. Anyone can deploy it in their own instance.

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/#:~:text=LaSuite%20étant%2...

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Post by dmytrish »

ddalex wrote: post #215
xiphias2 wrote: post #200

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There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations. As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

> build a better model with lower latency. That's mighty impossible for the european mindset - people here are not so risk-eager as to through hundreds of billions on infrastructure for something that might return a profit.

You don't have to love risk to build something you need.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jl6 »

The software part of this would be easy. People will literally write it for free, out of the sheer joy of building Free & open source software. The part the state needs to do is bootstrap a network effect that leads to people actually using it.

I guess they’ll need to employ a few engineers to add enough lines of code to rocket.chat to make it competitive with Teams levels of slowness.

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