That's awesome.
Lane-keeping is mandatory in the EU since 7/2024.
They _cannot_ sell a car without it there.
Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
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Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. I drive an old beater from 2001, but... I really don't think I understand why people want these in-between not-quite-autopilot features? To me it's like, it would be one thing if you could completely turn y…
As a technologist, I like lane-keep assist because it feels fundamentally more right that my car by default follows the road than keeps going with the turn radius I had previously input. Cruise control with minimum distance helps me keep a sound distance even as other cars keep packing up and reducing distances on a busy highway. My previous car (Mercedes) was great at detecting if a new car coming in front of me was…
> it feels fundamentally more right that my car by default follows the road than keeps going with the turn radius I had previously input.
A car shouldn't "keep the turn radius", they normally drive straight by default. The forces acting on the wheels do that automatically.
It doesn't seem like a wrong thing, to me.
> Where do you draw the line?
I think the line is quite obvious between the physical comfort features and the mentally disengaging features.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#333Wait a minute. My recent-ish car has LKAS. It recognizes white lines (or possibly curbs too) and if both boundaries of the lane are recongized, will steer for you - for 10 seconds maybe, before it nags you provide some steering input. But in those 10 seconds it's perfectly capable of smoothly steering around bends in the road on its own. And it is a useful safety feature even if only nudging the steering wheel while…
Was watching OPLive last week. Every week they have a segment called "Triple Play" where they have law enforcement send them videos of crazy chases and other interesting experiences. This last week they had a guy who had completely passed out in his car and was fast asleep at the wheel. A state trooper pulled up alongside it and could see the guy slumped over his wheel. Apparently the car was essentially weaving back…
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Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a technologist, I like lane-keep assist because it feels fundamentally more right that my car by default follows the road than keeps going with the turn radius I had previously input. Cruise control with minimum distance helps me keep a sound distance even as other cars keep packing up and reducing distances on a busy highway. My previous car (Mercedes) was great at detecting if a new car coming in front of me was…
> it feels fundamentally more right that my car by default follows the road than keeps going with the turn radius I had previously input. A car shouldn't "keep the turn radius", they normally drive straight by default. The forces acting on the wheels do that automatically. It doesn't seem like a wrong thing, to me. > Where do you draw the line? I think the line is quite obvious between the physical comfort features a…
GP said s/he didn't understand why anyone would want these in-betweens. I gave an explanation as to why.
Based on what you're saying, it seems the divide arises from some drivers classifying these features as physical comfort, and some as mentally disengaging.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. My only complaint is that there's an over-eager PID loop with lane keeping. If I want to pass a transport truck and want to kind of edge to the left of my lane when doing so, it will keep trying to compensate…
> I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. I drive an old beater from 2001, but... I really don't think I understand why people want these in-between not-quite-autopilot features? To me it's like, it would be one thing if you could completely turn y…
Same. Even cruise control is kind of useless because people in front of you don't necessarily use it and are very inconsistent in their speed.
So you end up constantly having to engage/disengage, rendering the whole thing moot.
I think something like autopilot could be implemented at the infrastructure level (sensors and emitters along the road), but people wouldn't like that because it would mean being unable to set your speed or overtake. The car exists for "freedom," but it is really an inefficient mode of transportation from both a time-use and energy-use perspective.
What we really need is a mix between rail/train and car/road.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very strong case for keeping your hands on the wheel, eyes on the road and drive the car yourself.
I do. My current car only has regular old cruise control, but it would be nice to have ACC and lane centering for longer drives.d
I genuinely don't understand what role lane centering serves if you really do keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road. It doesn't steer the car if you're steering the car yourself, not when I drove cars that had it. What am I missing?
The only point of cruise control is to take your foot off the peddle and to zone out and stop paying attention to how fast you're going. This is already Not Great to have in cars, but adding the same to the steering wheel, making drivers feel emboldened to look away, is probably a big part of the reason so many cars on the road today seem like they're being driven by deranged psychopaths; the drivers are actually tuned out doing other shit!
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#337A new Tesla, without subscription, now has worse Steering Assist than a $22K Toyota Corolla. Back when Autopilot launched, in consumer cars, it was pretty unique. But the market has moved on significantly, and basic Steering Assist/Full-Speed-Range Automatic Cruise Control, are pretty universal features today.
Steering Assistance , please Let's not slaughter the language for the sake of a few letters.
Language is alive. Let's not put it in a cage and cut off the parts that stick out, just because some of us find them aesthetically displeasing.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. I drive an old beater from 2001, but... I really don't think I understand why people want these in-between not-quite-autopilot features? To me it's like, it would be one thing if you could completely turn y…
Same. Even cruise control is kind of useless because people in front of you don't necessarily use it and are very inconsistent in their speed. So you end up constantly having to engage/disengage, rendering the whole thing moot. I think something like autopilot could be implemented at the infrastructure level (sensors and emitters along the road), but people wouldn't like that because it would mean being unable to set…
To your first point, that's what adaptive cruise control does. It will slow you down to maintain a gap with the car in front of you.
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
It takes two to tango, and the cop can stop the life-threatening chase at any time, without causing a wreck. Causing the speeding car to go out of control is also not a great thing for public safety, and does kill and cripple people who are in no way involved in these chases. We have jurisdictions with no-chase rules and it doesn’t seem to cause some hypothesized explosion in crime. It is in-fact ok to not do them, a…
What is the alternative? I'm not advocating causing shoplifters to crash, but I do like the idea that the police pursue criminals. You can imagine some kind of built in remote kill switch, but I can't see that being advocated here.
You attempt to ID them and pick them up later, and if you can't, you let them go.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
It looks to be completely free on most BYD models - as in no one time fee or subscription fee, but just part of the car: https://insideevs.com/news/750244/byd-smart-driving-cheap/
Wow, I've never seen an article that misleading from the first line! > "Full Self-Driving" costs $8,000. BYD includes its version for free on a $9,300 car. These are unrelated things. Tesla's comparative offering (at the time this article was written) was also included for free.
So, what you're saying is that Tesla used to be as good as a $9,300 BYD but is now going to be worse?
No wonder they need to hide behind a tariff wall.