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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by nikanj »

joe_mamba wrote: post #324
CalRobert wrote: post #194

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Perhaps people in the future will visit the US for the dieselpunk nostalgia, the same way people like seeing classic cars in Cuba.

Feels bad faith to shit on people from your ivory tower, just because they can't afford to ditch their reliable beaters and buy a new car. Have you seen wage growth vs car price increases lately? Not everyone is on a remote six figure US tech job. Try to view and judge things from outside your bubble as well. I'd also dump my ol reliable ICE car that's now probably worth less than a fancy electric bicycle, if someone…

Look at the average car payment in the US, and the average car sale price

The ”americans can’t afford EVs” argument falls totally apart when the average(!) sale price is over $50k and you can get a perfectly good Leaf for $25k

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Post by nielsbot »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #265
nielsbot wrote: post #222

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Hence the urgent need for charging infrastructure: Incentives to install charges in homes and rental unit garages and at curbsides.

Isn't it a lot easier just to sell people hybrids instead?

Yeah but don't we need to stop burning fossil fuels?

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Post by nielsbot »

jabl wrote: post #247
nielsbot wrote: post #216

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How has this played out in Norway? (If you know) They're at 90% EV market share, right?

Might be 90% of current sales. Still a lot of ICE cars on the road.

Yes, that's what I meant. Was just curious how the market for gas has changed (or not) in NO given that.

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Post by whatever1 »

Porsche was on the brink of bankruptcy. Then they started making SUVs. It turned out the SUVs are the ones that are bringing in all the cash to the company.

The audience of Porsche SUVs (cayenne, macan) care about signaling wealth via the badge. But they mostly want an everyday car for their commute, groceries / kid pickup.

No wonder the EVs options sell better. They have the badge, and are better at everyday tasks.

The 911 will stay gas powered (maybe e fuel at some point if mining of oil stops), because the target audience cares equally for signaling as well as the driving experience.

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Post by jagermo »

you know the sad thing? Porsche didn't even try.

They could have copied Teslas playbook and create a cool, fun, overpowered electric 911 or Targa or pull an old, fun concept and make it electric.

Instead, they have a boring SVU and the panamera, one of the probably ugliest car they have.

No one buys a Porsche because they want a sensible car for their family or they need something with large storage. They want midlife-crisis cars that go fast and look sleak.

They are now giving up on their entire electric strategy.

I don't get it. They could have ridden the wave of electric fun vehicles, instead they are giving in. Either because they can't do it or because they had no real interest to begin with.

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Post by Gravityloss »

whatever1 wrote: post #334

Porsche was on the brink of bankruptcy. Then they started making SUVs. It turned out the SUVs are the ones that are bringing in all the cash to the company. The audience of Porsche SUVs (cayenne, macan) care about signaling wealth via the badge. But they mostly want an everyday car for their commute, groceries / kid pickup. No wonder the EVs options sell better. They have the badge, and are better at everyday tasks.…

Hmm this comment gives the impression that electric Porsches are bad to drive and are only bought for the badge and convenience, like the SUV:s. I haven't driven a Taycan so can't say but I would assume it's not so. (And also it doesn't look like a convenient car.)

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Post by joe_mamba »

nikanj wrote: post #331
joe_mamba wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels bad faith to shit on people from your ivory tower, just because they can't afford to ditch their reliable beaters and buy a new car. Have you seen wage growth vs car price increases lately? Not everyone is on a remote six figure US tech job. Try to view and judge things from outside your bubble as well. I'd also dump my ol reliable ICE car that's now probably worth less than a fancy electric bicycle, if someone…

Look at the average car payment in the US, and the average car sale price The ”americans can’t afford EVs” argument falls totally apart when the average(!) sale price is over $50k and you can get a perfectly good Leaf for $25k

Good point but that can be explained by familiarity inertia. People who have 50k to blow on a new car are anything but young buyers, with the average age of a new car buyer in the US is around 53 years old.

And boomers and gen-X are used to owning ICEs, so there you go.

Millennials and Zoomers would be more open to EV adoption but they have a lot less disposable income to buy new cars.

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Post by ehnto »

Marsymars wrote: post #76
ehnto wrote: post #55

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That's not particularly unique amongst car manufacturers.

Maybe I got lucky, but I drove a 2011 model Ford from 2013-2025, and the worst part delay I experienced in that time was when they had to get next-day parts from a nearby city.

Ford is definitely of the better manufacturers for this. Ubiquitous parts, most models are quite reliable, and a robust service network that's been embedded for decades. Toyota is another counter-example, and a lot of the incumbents are going to do better than newer brands.

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Post by hnben »

jagermo wrote: post #335

you know the sad thing? Porsche didn't even try. They could have copied Teslas playbook and create a cool, fun, overpowered electric 911 or Targa or pull an old, fun concept and make it electric. Instead, they have a boring SVU and the panamera, one of the probably ugliest car they have. No one buys a Porsche because they want a sensible car for their family or they need something with large storage. They want midlif…

> No one buys a Porsche because they want a sensible car for their family or they need something with large storage

I know two porsche-owners personally. One sometimes uses his porsche (non SUV, but the small fast one) to go on family vacations (with the kids cramped at the too small back seats, which seems funny to me). The other has an SUV and lives in the country with bad roads; They sometimes use their porsche to commute to work and for everyday-stuff like shopping.

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