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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ptorrone »

spankalee wrote: post #271
ptorrone wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

speech to text, with a newborn, replying to these and feeding her. i cannot purchase shift keys if they are on sparkfun, yes.

What? Your other posts have capital letters for technical abbreviations and "Sparkfun", but not for "I" and the first letter of sentences. Sorry, from a bystander this looks like a straight-up lie, and why lie about such a small thing? It brings into question the truth of your other statements. Just say you like the style if that's the truth.

some are already words/abbreivations that are in my word list and some are me typing over later when i can, and some is a cut/paste if limor has something for me to add or does an edit as she looks at things. you can see my writings on the adafruit blog have caps, commenting on forums or hackersnews quickly, there will be some things someone does not like. we were at the doc with our 2 month old during this ... https://x.com/ptorrone/status/2011509017814659095

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by lisdexan »

relaxing wrote: post #223
RobotToaster wrote: post #159

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This adds some more context I guess https://chaos.social/@North/115605819126197877 Honestly the whole thing seems like everyone overreacting on both sides. Accusing someone is "doxing" because they used your first name?

Buried in there is the Sparkfun guy did in fact register a vanity domain and stand up a site for the purpose of harassing the Adafruit guy. Kind of shitty to play the victim at that point.

Is it? It was (as far we know) a mild shitpost of a public figure like from a decade ago. Photoshopping someones head over the Pepe Silva meme is not nice, but its hardly harassment. To me the "worst" thing was registering the domain, which he gave to Torrone and apologized quite well in my opinion https://gist.github.com/NPoole/d9aab9dfa2a18f4141039f7ce3505....

Sure, if this was a pattern of behavior it would be ridiculous to play the victim, but there isn't as far we know. 9 years later, Torrone starts Mullenweg-posting because some random criticized him for AI stuff. He posts their private email taken from a receipt and when blocked he continues with sock-puppets. Sparkfun guy gives a (quite measured) opinion colored by the fact that Torrone is still is doing this shit to random people. Torreone acusses the Sparkfun guy of being his personal Moriarty.

The most unhinged (and cowardly) thing to me is bringing up his partner and his newborn at every turn in his Twitter shitflinging, when any "slights" just seem only directed at him.

(Dude, if you are reading this just log off, this might literally just sleep deprivation. Take focus on caring of your child instead of fighting on the internet)

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Aurornis »

827a wrote: post #51
ptorrone wrote: post #21

hi, phil here — post on adafruit here: https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teens... i’ll stop back and answer anything (sparkfun will not?). sparkfun is the exclusive maker and distributor of the closed-source teensy and informed us we will not be able to purchase the teensy. this happened after i sent an email reporting the founder, nate, for multiple harassing actions directed at limor, including…

If it means anything, the first thought I had reading this post was "I wonder how SparkFun is exaggerating or misrepresenting this situation, because I can't believe Adafruit of all organizations is in the wrong here."

> because I can't believe Adafruit of all organizations is in the wrong here.

I've been hearing about this drama through a group chat for a long time. To be honest, neither side looks good in this one. Both companies have behaved disappointingly at different times for different reasons. I'm not doing this is an arbitrary "both sides" dismissal. There have been actions from both companies that would have been unacceptable in isolation.

The OSHW world revolves a lot around conferences, social media, and IRC/Matrix/Discord servers. Not coincidentally, this feels a lot like old IRC and forum drama of years past.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by xyzzyxy »

Dangeranger wrote: post #94

For context: This post by ptorrone suggests that leadership at Sparkfun has been engaged in a long running harassment campaign against the founder of AdaFruit (Limor Fried) and is now attempting to weaponize their CoC to cast blame on the victim in order to deflect from their own behavior[0]. for anyone still reading: in july, we told sparkfun they needed to get their house in order. for years, sparkfun's leadership…

For additional context to the context, here's Nick's account of the so-called 'long running harassment campaign' [1]: Nick made a joke site about Phil back in 2017, Phil emailed asking him to stop, Nick immediately transferred the domain to him with a heartfelt apology ("man... I just wanna be friends. I wanna support you and Limor and also feel good about the place that I work (and kinda live). [...] These social tools don't always translate, for that I apologize."), and they wrapped up the exchange on good terms.

[1] https://chaos.social/@North/115602441875664452

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by hamburglar »

jacquesm wrote: post #324
hamburglar wrote: post #275

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> it seems like if i do not reply, it's worse? Yes, it really does seem that way to you. But only to you. :)

That's not necessarily correct. If you leave something standing without gainsaying it there is a substantial fraction of the viewers of the interaction who will come away with the impression that that party that did not speak up against the last comment lost the discussion because they ran out of arguments. This is so widespread that there are multiple names for the phenomenon and lots of good interaction has been ru…

Obviously I don’t claim to speak for everyone else when I say it only seems that way to him. I’m being tongue in cheek. But I do think it’s the wrong instinct and the fact that some people agree isn’t reason to give into it.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by [deleted] »

reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #327
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #207

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Levar Burton did get into some hot water over the Reading Rainbow app.

Hah, really? He's a treasure, met him a few times at poetry readings and such. A quick search isn't bringing anything up but google has been failing me a lot lately. Or I'm failing at google a lot lately.

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by alnwlsn »

Xenograph wrote: post #328
alnwlsn wrote: post #174

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Thanks for the answer. I know many are scared off by the closed bootloader of the teensy (though I feel it's a fair thing to do). The lack of on-chip debugging is another shortcoming the Teensys have. I've been working on an audio project recently, and the the ease of use and feature set that TeensyAudio has is incredible. Teensy 4 does currently fill a pretty unique niche in terms of processing power though. There i…

> I know many are scared off by the closed bootloader of the teensy (though I feel it's a fair thing to do). Why is it a fair thing to do?

It supports the developer by preventing blatant ripoffs of the Teensy.

Paul is one guy, and has put in a ton of effort writing high quality libraries for it. Most or all of them are open source. The main MCU is a commodity item. Only the bootloader chip is closed source.

If you want to rip off the Teensy, you can use the same MCU but you'll need to come up with your own bootloading process (Adafruit could do this if they wanted to). It wouldn't be that difficult but is enough of a barrier to stop casual cloning. Seeing as how Amazon and Aliexpress are filled with cheap Arduino clones but not Teensys, it seems to have gone well so far. Nobody wants to be undercut so easily by someone who has no intention of contributing back.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by xyzzyxy »

ptorrone wrote: post #307
ignaloidas wrote: post #303

Incredible how Adafruit-sided this discussion is, having seen ptorrone serially creating alt accounts fediverse to harrass people who thought that his behavior was bad [1], going as far as to harrass people on their Etsy stores [2]. I do not expect anything he says to be truthful at all, after having seen how much abuse he spews out. [1]: https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/115605021402124429 [2]: https://chaos.so…

i asked if the person was going to "dox" me if i purchased a sticker that was in my cart already. there are multiple people making accounts using my handle, so i'm now on a server where there is some due process before fake reports or others pretending to be me.

> i asked if the person was going to "dox" me if i purchased a sticker that was in my cart already.

That implies you asked this of some random Etsy seller you happened to be interested in purchasing a sticker from, due to general privacy concerns. However, as I understand it, you instead tracked down the Etsy store of someone who had criticized and blocked you on social media, specifically to send them further unwanted messages related to your previous conversation about "doxxing" another user. Is this correct?

> there are multiple people making accounts using my handle, so i'm now on a server where there is some due process before fake reports or others pretending to be me.

Nick cited [1] specific since-suspended fediverse accounts linked to you: @ptorrone@fosstodon.org, @ptorrone@toot.community, @ptorrone@cyberplace.social, @ptorrone.bsky.social, @ptorrone@mastodon.nu. Are you denying involvement with those specific alt accounts, or just vaguely suggesting there might be other impersonators out there?

[1] https://chaos.social/@North/115602127173454774

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by bityard »

aobdev wrote: post #312
bityard wrote: post #269

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Documentation yes, but also Adafruit has very active support forums where customers can ask questions which get answered either by the community, or Adafruit employees, or both.

If that's what they're referring to, then my question is why does that need to end?

Sorry, I misunderstood Adafruit's position and therefore your question. It's weird that they would stop supporting anything they sold, even if they now want nothing to do with it. (They still have five forums for x0xb0x for pete's sake.) I guess they are trying to make a clean break and want to pour all resources into Freensy.
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