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Post by hnlmorg »

volkk wrote: post #226
t-3 wrote: post #196

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Sex sells and everybody knows that. Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country? Cultural exportation and exploitation have been key to US soft power for nearly a century.

crack also sells, amongst many other things that are inherently horrible for broad modern society. > Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country this is a very loaded statement that assumes that everyone is in agreement that proliferating and rewarding cam models is some kind of inherent good. there's nothing antiqua…

> i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society

You might not have any interest in adult entertainment, but that doesn’t mean the industry only exists in the “long tail of society”.

The problem with social taboos is rarely a moral one, and usually more that people feel embarrassed or scared to be open and honest.

And usually that stems from others being unreasonably judgmental.

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Post by fakedang »

torginus wrote: post #256
autoexec wrote: post #221

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The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.

I wouldn't prophesize the 'decline' of the US, but if you're sufficiently wealthy, the kind of services and lifestyle options (like living in a luxury apartment overlooking the sea, or decent medical care), is available in a lot of places nowadays.

Well it's already declining. Remove the AI and tech industry and the US economy is in literal decline. Invading Greenland ensures NATO is crippled, Taiwan is left undefended and China finds a great excuse to impose sanctions on the US as part of a coordinated effort. That's a huge chunk of the semiconductor manufacturing lifecycle that becomes inaccessible to the US.

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Post by sota_pop »

ericmcer wrote: post #55
areoform wrote: post #9

Such articles are interesting because they're tacit disapproval, but I would argue that this use of the O-1 is the most American way to use it. There's a reason why Hollywood became the Earth's center of cultural gravity post-WW2, https://goldenglobes.com/articles/exiles-and-emigres-hollywo... You may argue that these people aren't of such import, but I would beg to differ. This is the future of culture. These people…

Influencers as the future of culture is not great. Hollywood had a ton of issues but it at least had some... class? If you watch an interview with Mr. Beast or other famous influencers they are concerningly ignorant, have little self-awareness and a child-like approach to reality. It makes total sense given these are teenagers who were lauded with fame for entertaining other teenagers on social media. I watched the M…

To use anecdotes of specific influencers or even to cultural short/med-term memes misses the OP’s fundamental point in saying

> “this is the future of culture”.

The point is that the future of “culture” is increasingly decentralized; that the ability or more aptly, the opportunity, to accumulate “cultural influence” will tend towards higher entropy as a direct repercussion to the proliferation of the means to accumulate it.

Put differently, as the hardware and software used to record, store, and share content become more widely accessible, anyone with the access and motivation to use the tools truly has the opportunity to become famous.

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Post by cryptonector »

fakedang wrote: post #330
Majora320 wrote: post #228

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> The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those at the top are doing very well, it's those without access to capital who are struggling. America in decline looks like a bifurcated economy where low-paying jobs catering to the desires of the wealthy take up an increasingly large share of the economy. You can decide for yourself to wh…

A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades but this time the US is going to be on the wrong side of history. As an outsider, it's interesting to watch Nero play the fiddle while the rest of the world sanctions the US (except India and the Middle East and Taiwan). I think this is how the average Roman felt during Honorius' reign.

> A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades

A world war meaning... the death of many / most Americans? That's quite the fantasy there.

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Post by lanyard-textile »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #307
lanyard-textile wrote: post #32

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Entertainment is an industry :) It would be unwise to filter out the fun people. We'd all become a bunch of unfun nerds.

While I know you wrote this in jest, you raise a very good point! A lot of people with STEM jobs unwind after a long day by watching or listening to comedy -- TV, film, stand-up, YouTube, whatever. I have no issue with it. Also, lots of them go home and play video games. That is another form of entertainment (fun).

The latter part is in jest anyway. The former is true! It would be quite boring to live in a world without a proper entertainment industry -- agreed.

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Post by DANmode »

vondur wrote: post #277
neilv wrote: post #187

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What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one…

Healthier countries? As in better physical health?

As in:

- Life expectancy at birth is lower than nearly all other high-income countries

- Preventable and treatable mortality rates are well above the OECD average

- Adult obesity rate is the highest among peer nations

- Infant mortality rate is worse than most developed countries

- Maternal mortality rate is dramatically higher than other wealthy nations

- Suicide rate exceeds the OECD average

- Drug overdose death rate is the highest in the developed world

- Prevalence of multiple chronic diseases is unusually high

- Physical inactivity rates exceed those of peer countries

- Healthcare spending per capita is the highest globally while outcomes lag peers

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Post by aiauthoritydev »

Jare wrote: post #160
aiauthoritydev wrote: post #127

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I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). So this is purely to bring people with money and/or influence, nothing exceptional except the number of 0's.

O visa is sponsored by an employer. The employer has to provide reasons why the person is being brought in USA. It makes perfect sense for USA to bring as many OF models as they want into USA as it could mean $$$$ in revenue for IRS, more money for US business and since these models are typically young there is lower load on any kind of welfare.

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Post by aiauthoritydev »

autoexec wrote: post #221
neilv wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one…

The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.

USA is doing pretty well and far from decline not withstanding local minimas they might hit.

When economic outlook is bad, it is generally the middle class and lower class that gets hit the hardest and women in these categories end up joining sin professions. Vegas always sees a big boom in 21 year olds in strip clubs when economy is bad.

Right now strip clubs are full of 35+ women why ? All the young ones are on OF. It is safer and much cleaner way of making money

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Post by fakedang »

cryptonector wrote: post #334
fakedang wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades but this time the US is going to be on the wrong side of history. As an outsider, it's interesting to watch Nero play the fiddle while the rest of the world sanctions the US (except India and the Middle East and Taiwan). I think this is how the average Roman felt during Honorius' reign.

> A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades A world war meaning... the death of many / most Americans? That's quite the fantasy there.

US invading Greenland means all US troops in Europe risk getting captured/foxholed in their own military bases. That's 65k permanent staff and 20-35k on rotation. Or 10% of the US military, simply turning PoW (and a huge bargaining chip so early in the conflict).

It will also signal to the world that America is no longer world police, which means the Middle East, Japan and Taiwan will once again come under threat. The Middle East already foresaw this, which is why Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan are building a regional nuclear-enabled alliance, with open invitation to the other oil economies. Taiwan is most likely to get caught with their pants down, given the lack of US military support.

Interestingly, with the exist of the US from NATO, the largest military in NATO will be Turkey's, that country that Europe has long considered the unwanted bastard child.

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Post by volkk »

hnlmorg wrote: post #331
volkk wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

crack also sells, amongst many other things that are inherently horrible for broad modern society. > Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country this is a very loaded statement that assumes that everyone is in agreement that proliferating and rewarding cam models is some kind of inherent good. there's nothing antiqua…

> i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society You might not have any interest in adult entertainment, but that doesn’t mean the industry only exists in the “long tail of society”. The problem with social taboos is rarely a moral one, and usually more that people feel embarrassed or scared to be open and honest. And usually that stems from others being unreasonably judgment…

> The problem with social taboos is rarely a moral one, and usually more that people feel embarrassed or scared to be open and honest.

And usually that stems from others being unreasonably judgmental.

You're using broad sweeping statements to argue with a point that I'm not even making.

First off, you're only assuming I'm making this argument because I don't have an interest in adult entertainment. I just don't believe it needs to be shoved into every facet of society. The industry certainly _does_ exist in the long tail, because there's literally nothing interesting in it aside from the fact that people use it to get off and move on with their lives. It's like taking a dump. Everyone does it, but I don't need to sit around a dinner table discussing it as if it's some high brow art. And I certainly don't want people to be treated extra specially because they excel at taking dumps.

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