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BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Any claims I care to learn about I would like evidence. Only anti-Tesla folks seem to be lacking it.

What's lacking here? Waymos are driving driverless in multiple cities and Teslas are not. Robotaxis have a person with hands on button at at times for emergencies. They might get better but how is that not evidence enough that currently Robotaxis are behind Waymos in self driving capabilities?

This was your chance to provide the evidence to your claims. It is conjecture what you have provided. Waymo requires the remote operator make decisions often, such as at uncontrolled intersections when the lights go out, as shown in SF. Just because you don't see the strings doesn't mean they aren't there.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Let me Google that for you?

They have no fabs. They're using nvidia chips on server side last I checked, and what tsmc thei own design for in car? Those aren't cheap anyway. The markup on nvidia chips is high, but it's not _that_ high.

If they design the chip it is theirs. If you are saying fabs then nearly nobody has their own chips. But they plan to make fabs too.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Feel free to live in your cocoon, I have owned several euro cars, including e36 m3. Now own BYD Dolphin and Shark, the European car industry is history mate.

Sure we should all trust your word instead of the readily available stats that say exactly the opposite..

Live in your stats cocoon and yesterdays euro supremacy

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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For one, no one is seriously contemplating a LIDAR-only system, the question is between camera+LIDAR or camera-only. > Lidar just fundamentally can’t read signs, traffic lights or road markings in a reliable way. Actually, given that basically every meaningful LIDAR on the market gives an "intensity" value for each return, in surprisingly many cases you could get this kind of imaging behavior from LIDAR so long as th…

Everyone is missing the point, including Karpathy which is the most surprising because he is supposed to be one of the smart ones. The focus shouldn't be on which sensor to use. If you are going to use humans as examples, just take the time to think how a human drives. We can drive with one eye. We can drive with a screen instead of a windshield. We can drive with a wiremesh representation of the world. We also use a…

> ...just take the time to think how a human drives...

We truly have no understanding of how the human brain really models the world around us and reasons over motion, and frankly anyone claiming to is lying and trying to sell something. "But humans can do X with just Y and Z..." is a very seductive idea, but the reality is "humans can do X with just Y, Z, and an extremely complex and almost entirely unknown brain" and thus trying to do X with just Y and Z is basically a fool's errand.

> ...builds your representation of the world first...

So far, I would say that one of the very few representations that can be meaningfully decoupled from the sensors in use is world geometry, and even that is a very weak decoupling because the ways you performantly represent geometry are deeply coupled with the capabilities of your sensors (e.g. LIDAR gives you relatively sparse points with limited spatial consistency, cameras give you dense points with higher spatial consistency, RADAR gives you very sparse targets with velocity). Beyond that, the capabilities of your sensors really define how you represent the world.

The alternative is that you do not "represent" the world but instead have that representation emerge implicitly inside some huge neural net model. But those models and their training end up even more tightly coupled to the type of data and capabilities of your sensors and are basically impossible to move to new sensor types without significant retraining.

> Then any sensor you add in is a fairly trivial problem of sensor fusion + Kalman filtering

"Sensor fusion" means everything and nothing; there are subjects where "sensor fusion" is practically solved (e.g. IMU/AHRS/INS accelerometer+gyro+magnetometer fusion is basically accepted as solved with EKF) and there are other areas where every "fusion" of multiple sensors is entirely bespoke.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Let me Google that for you?

They have no fabs. They're using nvidia chips on server side last I checked, and what tsmc thei own design for in car? Those aren't cheap anyway. The markup on nvidia chips is high, but it's not _that_ high.

By that logic, nvidia also doesnt have chips lol

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Why do we want CCP vehicles spying on us outside China? Did we forget everything we learned over the last decades..?

If you're a US citizen, it's far safer for the CCP to be spying on you than the US government.

That's such a dishonest argument.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Sure we should all trust your word instead of the readily available stats that say exactly the opposite..

Live in your stats cocoon and yesterdays euro supremacy

Ahahah. "stats cocoon" sounds exactly like something MAGA would say.

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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I'll post the 7 billion miles of stats here ( https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety ) but then the objections will be "it's Tesla of course they lie" and the debunked "they turn FSD off right before an accident".

How does FSD function, or will it even activate, in a Pittsburgh whiteout at 10pm in January with no visible road markings? That's why Tesla's stats are BS. "All drivers, all conditions, all vehicles, all roads" versus "Where FSD is even functional".

You can just google for videos you know.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MTmSgVYTTQ

https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=Fsd+14+blizzard

Any more questions?

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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We in the US can't hide forever.

Forever is a long time. Once FSD, we will make rules about the software that will have the effect of excluding Chinese companies. I seriously doubt that I'll see Chinese cars here in my lifetime.

Cool, we can be like Cuba except we did it to ourselves

Re: BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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You can check the video on the early generation cars reviewed by the famous Top Gear team members [1]. Austin 7 and its derivatives (notably Dixi that kickstarted the highly successful BMW car business), dictated and popularized the modern car architecture, interfaces and controls stereotype as we know today. In order to drive old cars prior to Austin 7, we probably need a manual before we can drive them except the C…

Jaguar only started using a synchromesh gearbox in the E-Type in '65 or '66 (Series II) - that's forty years after the Austin. I have no idea why the British love to abuse themselves. Last week I saw some old Rolls Royce that I absolutely could not guess even the decade of. The carriage looked 1930s but the interior looked 1950s - until I noticed what might have been spark advance levers on the steering wheel. It's a…

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