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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by tavavex »

hulitu wrote: post #272
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117

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And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

> Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. Did _you_ tried ? Because i hear this mantra a lot on HN, but my experience is different. MDK ( the game) cannot _run_ on a current Windows.

Although it's rare for me, I have used some old software that was built for Windows 9X or old versions of NT. So far, the track record is perfect - native programs have worked just fine, though I obviously can't vouch for all of them.

Old, complex games are the worst-case scenario, and are the exception, not the rule. Since they were only beginning to figure out hardware-accelerated 3D gaming in the 90s, it meant that we were left with lots of janky implementations and outdated graphics APIs that were quickly forgotten about. Though, MDK doesn't seem to suffer from this - it should be capable of running on newer systems directly [1]. One big issue it does have is that it uses a 16-bit installer, which is one thing that was explicitly retired during the transition to 64-bit due to it being so archaic at that moment, only being relevant to Windows 1-3. But you can still install the game using the method described in the article, and it should hopefully run fine from there on. Since it has options to use a software renderer and old DirectX, at least one of these should work.

[1] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/MDK

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by rationalist »

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #316
laughing_man wrote: post #264

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The ads in the start menu and the notifications were the last straw for me.

I have yet to this day and Windows 10 or 11 ever to see an advertisement like people talk about.

It's more like shortcuts to install things like Candy Crush.

And I've seen that.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

spwa4 wrote: post #312
dmitrygr wrote: post #279

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https://dmitry.gr/89 you can also "add to homescreen" on iOS/android and it acts like a native app & works offline. symbolic math - computer algebra system, integration/differentiation, finance app in rom, 3d graphs. (emu is not my work, i only packaged it for PWA and host it for myself to use, but you are welcome to as well)

Sure (and thanks for the link, do you have a TI-82 as well?) but it won't "last". You'll take the site offline, sooner or later and I can't just store an exe locally and use it in 20 years. I'll lose the ability to install it on phones.

That is my personal site, I do not expect to take it down, since that is where I post my projects. But also, you can just save it from there entirely, and serve from your own site -- there is no server-side part to it.

no 82. I only liked the ti-89

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by kyboren »

dmitrygr wrote: post #219
netsharc wrote: post #188

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I wonder if it's ancient enough that the exploits floating online are too modern for it... Hah, I guess the Internet really is like a sewer, you have to have good protective equipment to wade in it...

This reasoning is actually why I ran Windows XP 64 bit edition for very very long. Most exploits found that it was XP and tried to do stuff and failed on the 64 bit kernel they did not expect.

I'm not going to say that's a good idea, but I've long had an idea along similar lines that a source-only distribution that generates a bespoke calling convention, stack frame layout, syscall number mapping, etc. for each individual machine at install time would do a lot to mitigate RCE threats.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

kyboren wrote: post #334
dmitrygr wrote: post #219

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This reasoning is actually why I ran Windows XP 64 bit edition for very very long. Most exploits found that it was XP and tried to do stuff and failed on the 64 bit kernel they did not expect.

I'm not going to say that's a good idea, but I've long had an idea along similar lines that a source-only distribution that generates a bespoke calling convention, stack frame layout, syscall number mapping, etc. for each individual machine at install time would do a lot to mitigate RCE threats.

Gentoo-by-obscurity?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by jaredhallen »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #173
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

If you want an OS to simply do stuff Linux is now clearly superior. However, I found Omarchy to be whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is. It brings all the complications of a tiling WM, so you still have to learn a complicated new way of using your system, but at the same time it is extremely opinionated so instead of ending with a tailored custom tiling WM that suits your needs at the end of the learning curve, y…

I love Linux. I've been using it for about 25 years now. I try to be a realist, and historically, it has always been my opinion that it is a less polished experience, suitable mainly for power users. But my opinion now is that many flavors actually do offer a superior desktop user experience for most use cases.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by drewfax »

nephihaha wrote: post #80

Vista was bad enough.

Vista changed the Windows security upside down. It brought all the modern kernel features Windows embraced upon. But they went overboard with graphics that average consumer hardware was not ready for. Despite that I don't remember it came with any bloatware like Windows 10 and 11.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by kyboren »

dmitrygr wrote: post #335
kyboren wrote: post #334

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I'm not going to say that's a good idea, but I've long had an idea along similar lines that a source-only distribution that generates a bespoke calling convention, stack frame layout, syscall number mapping, etc. for each individual machine at install time would do a lot to mitigate RCE threats.

Gentoo-by-obscurity?

That's exactly how I think of it. Gentoo plus ABI obfuscation.

I'm sure there are issues (particularly around binary blob drivers) but they seem surmountable given enough effort...

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by smt88 »

pico303 wrote: post #88
smt88 wrote: post #53

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MacOS is a buggy mess, and it's also pretty slow lately. If you need full Office for work, your best bet is probably still Windows.

As a software engineer who has developed on Macs (and Linux) for most of my career and has recently started a job that requires me to use Windows again, I can tell you from experience that Office on the Mac is far, far more stable, easy to use, and considerably faster than on Win11. Microsoft’s macOS team are really good at their jobs. But then I don’t find macOS to be slow or a buggy mess, so mileage may vary.

> Office on the Mac is far, far more stable, easy to use, and considerably faster than on Win11

I haven't had stability issues with any Office program in years, but everything you mentioned is moot because there are Office features (especially Power___ features in Excel) that don't have parity on MacOS. If I get a workbook from a client, I need it to run exactly the same on my machine as it does on theirs.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

conradfr wrote: post #186
PlanksVariable wrote: post #146

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Why can’t Microsoft employees learn on the job? When I joined a (non-Microsoft) BigTech company, I was expected to learn C++ and internal libraries and tools within a couple months while working on newbie projects. The company recouped that investment many times over.

That can work if you're not expecting to be fired on a whim in one of those 20k+ layoffs when suddenly you have a skill no one seeks while you have not grown in the other area the market wants.

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