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Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by kayodelycaon »

machomaster wrote: post #260
kayodelycaon wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t like being snarky here but this is an absolutely perfect example of what I was talking about in my last paragraph. I didn’t mention energy because energy has no relevance. I’ve literally broken down crying because I really wanted to work but my brain refused to move. I was having such a great day and was really motivated. I spend hours and absolutely exhausted every bit of energy I had trying every adv…

You read, but did not actually listen to my explanation of energy. I gave it for a damn good reason; because most people misunderstand it and my explanations light the bulbs in people's heads. You also totally missed the point of suggestions entirely. I assume that happened because you were out of brain/willpower energy. My suggestions were not to try harder. They were the exact opposite, they were about: 1. constrai…

I did reread and I wish I had been more polite. Sorry about that. :(

I really do understand. These are all really great things, I'm bipolar and already use all of them. I have to. But they don't apply here.

I'm discussing a problem that willpower cannot fix.

Here's an analogy:

- Think of willpower as fuel you put into a train.

- You control how far the train goes by changing the throttle or amount of fuel.

- You have a bunch of freight cars behind you and you're ready to get out of the yard.

- Your engine doesn't have any wheels. Someone removed them last night. (This is an analogy, you can't get a different engine.)

- How much fuel do you need to get to your destination?

Bonus Round:

- Your boss starts asking why you haven't moved yet and won't believe you if you say the wheels were removed. Stop being lazy and get to work.

You are not allowed to disagree with this analogy. :) This is exactly what my life is like.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by Forgeties79 »

roguechimpanzee wrote: post #199
andy99 wrote: post #158

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People would rather blame external factors and not take responsibility. It’s actually insulting to people who work hard that some people assume they have it easy somehow, like the “must be nice” comment upstream. Not everyone takes the view that you can’t control what happens to you, it’s pretty easy to see who does.

You can actually just choose to lock in. And you don't need a perfect streak. Waking up early, working out and eating a nutritious breakfast is a perfect morning for probably 90% of people but our society is so broken that being healthy is associated with being either a grifter or a fascist.

God I wish one could actually just choose to lock in.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by kayodelycaon »

bunnybomb2 wrote: post #243
kayodelycaon wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t like being snarky here but this is an absolutely perfect example of what I was talking about in my last paragraph. I didn’t mention energy because energy has no relevance. I’ve literally broken down crying because I really wanted to work but my brain refused to move. I was having such a great day and was really motivated. I spend hours and absolutely exhausted every bit of energy I had trying every adv…

You arent the only human whos had a issue with not getting things done, its normal, and its hackable. Brains are hackable. I dont mean to say you implied it, but its easy to dig a larger hole when you believe you are special, or you have tried "all" the advice. Every problem has a solution, and I beg you to search deeper to what you do even in task-paralysis states. That might be where your mission comes from. It hel…

You’re cocky. :)

Some people are special. The preferred term is neurodivergent. ;)

There are times you just can’t fix a broken brain by trying harder or finding an alternative.

It can be really difficult to understand if you’ve never experienced it yourself. For you there’s, always been a way to get something done.

What do you do when you try to throw something with your arm and your entire body doesn’t move? No matter what you try to do. You can’t get your body to move. I got some advice on how you should move your arm. :)

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by Aeglaecia »

gametorch wrote: post #310
tsoukase wrote: post #282

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Any psychotherapist, and mainly psychiatrists, tries to create a heavy dependence to their patents, not so chemical but behavioral and psychological, which they call patient bonding. They don't want to instruct the patient and make them independent. It's shown that this causes a consistent improvement and simultaneously establishes their dominance long-term.

> Any psychotherapist ... tries to create a heavy dependence to their patents, not so chemical but behavioral and psychological, which they call patient bonding. This world view is extreme, not true, and directly harmful to your mental health. You should consider talking to a psychotherapist about why you feel that way :^) In all seriousness, the world is a much more pleasant place when you discard extremist views an…

it is a choice to take the red or blue pill

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by machomaster »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #331
machomaster wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You read, but did not actually listen to my explanation of energy. I gave it for a damn good reason; because most people misunderstand it and my explanations light the bulbs in people's heads. You also totally missed the point of suggestions entirely. I assume that happened because you were out of brain/willpower energy. My suggestions were not to try harder. They were the exact opposite, they were about: 1. constrai…

I did reread and I wish I had been more polite. Sorry about that. :( I really do understand. These are all really great things, I'm bipolar and already use all of them. I have to. But they don't apply here. I'm discussing a problem that willpower cannot fix. Here's an analogy: - Think of willpower as fuel you put into a train. - You control how far the train goes by changing the throttle or amount of fuel. - You have…

I wasn't suggesting using willpower to power through the problems. I was suggesting setting up a system, that would fit you and would enable you to live a better and more efficient life. Willpower is useful in setting up the system, to learn it. Not to operate it.

Please watch this fundamental video: https://youtu.be/bcKthx5LTbI

On a surface it is about dieting, but the lessons can be applied to the rest of the life.

Cheers! :-)

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by nradov »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #327
nradov wrote: post #264

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No one is assuming that. Everyone has their burdens. But gradual improvement is always possible.

Your prior comment makes it sound like you assume it’s generally just about willpower and that external factors aren’t generally an issue. Is that accurate?

No, is generally about discipline and building good habits. Willpower or lack thereof is largely irrelevant. I'm not convinced that willpower is even a real thing.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by Forgeties79 »

nradov wrote: post #336
Forgeties79 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your prior comment makes it sound like you assume it’s generally just about willpower and that external factors aren’t generally an issue. Is that accurate?

No, is generally about discipline and building good habits. Willpower or lack thereof is largely irrelevant. I'm not convinced that willpower is even a real thing.

This all just sounds like bootstraps by another name

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by kayodelycaon »

machomaster wrote: post #335
kayodelycaon wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did reread and I wish I had been more polite. Sorry about that. :( I really do understand. These are all really great things, I'm bipolar and already use all of them. I have to. But they don't apply here. I'm discussing a problem that willpower cannot fix. Here's an analogy: - Think of willpower as fuel you put into a train. - You control how far the train goes by changing the throttle or amount of fuel. - You have…

I wasn't suggesting using willpower to power through the problems. I was suggesting setting up a system, that would fit you and would enable you to live a better and more efficient life. Willpower is useful in setting up the system, to learn it. Not to operate it. Please watch this fundamental video: https://youtu.be/bcKthx5LTbI On a surface it is about dieting, but the lessons can be applied to the rest of the life.…

Let me try again. I shouldn't have mentioned willpower. Let me restate the problem.

I try to do something and I have the physical sensation of hitting a wall that shouldn't be there. Thoughts never stop at that part of the brain.

I'm talking about a fundamentally different mechanism than thinking something is too hard. It's a hardware interruption that I have no control over.

I've spent my entire life working around this and it's difficult. Especially when everyone thinks I'm just being lazy or I just need to do this one thing. I'm still trying to figure out how to explain it better.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by bunnybomb2 »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #333
bunnybomb2 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You arent the only human whos had a issue with not getting things done, its normal, and its hackable. Brains are hackable. I dont mean to say you implied it, but its easy to dig a larger hole when you believe you are special, or you have tried "all" the advice. Every problem has a solution, and I beg you to search deeper to what you do even in task-paralysis states. That might be where your mission comes from. It hel…

You’re cocky. :) Some people are special. The preferred term is neurodivergent. ;) There are times you just can’t fix a broken brain by trying harder or finding an alternative. It can be really difficult to understand if you’ve never experienced it yourself. For you there’s, always been a way to get something done. What do you do when you try to throw something with your arm and your entire body doesn’t move? No matt…

I am neurodivergent, I have experienced exactly what your saying myself for my entire life..

I know the feeling, and to assume I dont/have "always had a way" because I found a way out, iss a very victim way of living.

My advice still stands, look deeper. If you want to sit in a hole and repeat how there's no hope, you can, but it wont do anything.

You arent different or special. You have hope. I didnt have it easier, I fought harder

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Post by stormed »

PeterStuer wrote: post #67
stormed wrote: post #27

I decided to go unmedicated from SSRIs/mood stabilizers in 2024 and it changed my life for the better. Prior to stopping, I thought I was physically unhealthy until I found out excessive overheating & exhaustion was a common side effect of Zoloft. Since then, I've lost around 40 pounds and have been able to regularly exercise without issues. My mental health also improved with forcing myself to get vitamin D outside.…

Did you get the "brain zaps" when coming off the SSRIs? How long did it take?

Definitely. It wasn’t too bad, but it took roughly a month for the brain zaps to completely stop with Zoloft & Wellbutrin. I had worse brain zaps in the past from Lexapro, that was bad enough I’d lose focus on whatever task I was doing.
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