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Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Every project I worked on that used CSS was a mess. It's always 1000 line SCSS files and nobody knows what is going on there.

> It's always 1000 line SCSS files and nobody knows what is going on there It's been 15-20 years since I last saw that. There are tons of solutions on how to easily organize CSS code these days that don't involve TW.

You mean CSS-in-JS?

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Very sad to hear, I bought Tailwind UI years ago and although it was a lot more expensive than I wanted, I've appreciated the care and precision and highly recommend buying it (It's now called Tailwind Plus) even still (maybe even especially now). Mad props to Adam for his honesty and transparency. Adam if you're reading, just know that the voices criticizing you are not the only voices out there. Thanks for all you'…

I'll piggyback on this to highlight Refactoring UI as well. It's an ebook by Adam and Steve, though I'm not sure if it's technically part of Tailwind Labs or not.

This book taught me so much about modern UI design. If you've ever tried building a component and thought to yourself, "hmm something about this looks off," you might benefit from this book.

These days some of the examples might be a little bit dated (fashions come and go), but the principles it teaches you are rock solid.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Tailwind Plus is great - I love the lifetime access, but I always wondered how sustainable that model was. Even without AI, how many of those memberships could they sell?

I thought the same, and yet on the other hand, how could they have done it differently? People don't want to pay a subscription just to write a DSL of CSS. Perhaps they could've done it per project like some companies, but I don't think it'd be as popular as their lifetime model. Ironic.

MUI sells paid components paid monthly. Definitely doable for the paid product.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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If there's anything AI coding is good at, it's writing react components and tailwind css.

If you want a bunch of tailwind class slop, then yes. Otherwise, A lot of context engineering is needed if you want it to write modular tailwind components properly for large projects where consistency is important.

> Otherwise, A lot of context engineering is needed if you want

I am not seeing that. I have a few AI-assisted projects using tailwind and scrolling through it now 99% of it looks... completely modern and professional. I had previously asked it to "completely refactor, a rewrite if needed, all the tailwind/css/app styles. ensure visual and code consistency across pages".

Modern coding tools add tons of their own content, but none of the above was "a lot of context engineering".

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If you want a bunch of tailwind class slop, then yes. Otherwise, A lot of context engineering is needed if you want it to write modular tailwind components properly for large projects where consistency is important.

Absolutely, but the AI era seems to have lowered the bar for what's considered passable code. Slop works for most projects.

And design too. I shouldn’t be able to tell Claude designed your site/app, but it is too often the case. Good taste still remains an advantage thankfully.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Very sad to hear, I bought Tailwind UI years ago and although it was a lot more expensive than I wanted, I've appreciated the care and precision and highly recommend buying it (It's now called Tailwind Plus) even still (maybe even especially now). Mad props to Adam for his honesty and transparency. Adam if you're reading, just know that the voices criticizing you are not the only voices out there. Thanks for all you'…

What most don’t realize is that this will happen to most businesses in all categories as more people rely on ChatGPT and Claude for discovery. No discovery - no business. And same with ads.if OpenAI decides not to add ads - prepare for even faster business consolidation. Those businesses preferred by llms will exponentially grow, others will quickly go out of business

> most businesses in all categories as more people rely on ChatGPT and Claude for discovery

What about restaurants, transportation, construction, healthcare, or manufacturing?

Will those go out of business too?

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Something’s wrong when a key piece of foundational web tech is staring down unsustainability. Tailwind is almost ubiquitous these days. It needs to continue to exist. Small businesses being eaten by AI is a net negative, because they’re in a unique position whereby they need to actually have to listen to customers vs just optimizing for a rando middle manger’s promotion in BigTech.

You could go back in time and say this about jQuery. Tailwind's future was always questionable because CSS is growing in new and amazing ways, and wrapping the complexity of new CSS features into helper classes isn't really a sustainable model. That said if someone wants a business model, figure out a way to get paid to get AI to make UIs using newer CSS features, because right now it's quite terrible at it.

The difference is that jQuery was replaced by other libraries, while Tailwind grows in popularity, but due to AI its creator doesn’t benefit from this popularity as much as before

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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As an early Tailwind Plus / Tailwind UI customer I don’t think it has anything to do with AI. The product and technicals are there but from a business and user perspective Tailwind the paid product was trash and still is. It tried to do everything and lacked direction.

There were originally snippets but it’s not reusable in a proper sense based on components like a design system. Each snippet may have overlaps but you can’t get it together properly.

Next there was catalyst, a react component library but it was barebones and doesn’t tie into the snippets.

And then there were templates, which again is another direction.

It would have been better if it was thought out. Design system. Component library. Snippets built on a solid base.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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The paid products Adam mentions are the pre-made components and templates, right? It seems like the bigger issue isn't reduced traffic but just that AI largely eliminates the need for such things. While I understand that this has been difficult for him and his company... hasn't it been obvious that this would be a major issue for years? I do worry about what this means for the future of open source software. We've lo…

Does it matter whether it's been obvious that it would be a major issue? It's not unlikely that he did realise this a long time ago, and if he did, it's also not unlikely that he still hasn't found a solution, because there might not be one.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Didn't he (half) jokingly ask Anthropic to buy Tailwind a few weeks ago, right when Bun was acquired? Makes a lot more sense now.

source?

found it https://x.com/adamwathan/status/1995940378101621194?s=20
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