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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by bluGill »

ademup wrote: post #280
deadbabe wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there is also the fallacy where some people want you to believe basically everything will cause CVD and there is no single thing you could do to change it, so therefore just keep doing whatever you’re doing.

I call this the "Everything in Moderation" fallacy. From what I've heard people who say it, they emphasize the everything part of it. In other words almost everything is bad for you so just eat a little bit of everything and you won't get too much of the bad stuff. It's maddening.

What is moderation? The volume (or mass) of a single apple of alcohol is going to make you very drunk (most alcohol is mixed with water: an apple's worth of beer is very little, that much Everclear is a problem).

That is what I hate about the everything in moderation. We need to do better since some things should be in much larger amounts than others.

I think we all would agree that any amount of rat poison is a bad thing, thought perhaps this is too much of a strawman.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by grvdrm »

TuringNYC wrote: post #321

As a child of the 1980s, I feel so cheated that we were told to eat "5 servings of grains a day" pointing to bread and pasta -- when so many breads have added sugar and so much pasta has added sugar in the sauce. How did no one speak up? Would people ever have spoken up if we didnt have social media?

I don't feel so violently on one side of this or another, but I agree with the spirit of your comment as a child of the 80s.

I think I ate white bread or something very similar to it almost every day for lunch (in school). Cold cuts too. A shit-ton of pasta, but I'm my family is Italian, so that was a given no matter what. Tons of granola bars. Basically every processed baked packaged thing you can imagine.

Your point about sauce hits home too. Sauce purists may disagree but I despise ANY sweetness in your basic red sauce.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by oxag3n »

Do your own research, it's not that hard:

* Select a subset of diets that might fit your lifestyle.

* Make a list of categories you consume: refined sugars, all kinds of fats, gluten, dairy.

* Look for published papers on diets and categories.

I did a few dramatic changes throughout my life based on researches I did, not the hype. The first one was refined sugars for me and my kids - they didn't have a single cavity in baby and now permanent teeth. Pediatric dentist actually it's impressive, but little sugar here and there wouldn't harm with proper hygiene. One thing I learned about medical doctors is that they are not scientists, and unless they follow a protocol to diagnose and treat you, their opinion is often B.S. For adult, removing refined sugars reduced body fat percentage over time, but what's most important - lipid panel came to normal in about a year.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by bluGill »

gruez wrote: post #231
aldarion wrote: post #214

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That is incorrect, actually. I find it relatively easy to adhere to keto diet. But the moment I try to introduce more "diverse" foods, I gain weight. Because processed food diet is IMPOSSIBLE to adhere to without gaining weight. Caloric restriction simply doesn't work - your body wants nutrients, not just calories. Which is to say, your willpower will fail sooner or later, unless you find a way of satisfying nutritio…

>That is incorrect, actually. I find it relatively easy to adhere to keto diet. But the moment I try to introduce more "diverse" foods, I gain weight. Keto diets might be easier to stick to than calorie counting or whatever, but the fact that you bothered with a diet at all means you're selecting for people who care about their health.

There is also a high chance you selected for people who were not eating well before. Or you selected for people that for genetic reasons are more likely to get fat.

Either way you cannot be sure your selection applies to other people.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by Qem »

worik wrote: post #278
ceejayoz wrote: post #207

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Skim/lowfat milk just... takes the cream out. The same rule changes tightened the rules on added sugar.

In my country the lowest fat milk has added lactose. It did twenty years ago, when I noticed, I have not bought it since

Is it added deliberately or just concentrated as a side-effect? Say fat comprised, let me guess, 5% of whole milk volume. If you take away this 5% v/v component, now everything else in one liter of skim milk is 5% concentrated by comparison, unless they add water.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by devilsdata »

brodouevencode wrote: post #199

The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf

It recommends eating more saturated fats from dairy and meat, both of which are very bad for CVD.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by jayers »

zamadatix wrote: post #86
rendaw wrote: post #69

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$50k in 2016 dollars.

You're correct, but for some reason heavily downed at the moment (Edit: no longer the case!). Relevant excerpt backing this up: > the sugar industry paid the Harvard scientists the equivalent of $50,000 in 2016 dollars I.e. it was something more like 6k-7k in terms of dollars at the time of payment.

Average home price in the late 60s was 25k so even if it is equivalent to $50k in 2016 dollars, 25k could still get you further than today in some specific areas.
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