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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by PoignardAzur »

pentagrama wrote: post #274

Reading this from South America, there is another layer that often gets lost in US-centric discussions like this. For many people here, the move away from US platforms is not primarily about surveillance, product quality, or even conscious digital sovereignty in the European sense. It is more visceral and historical. There is a long-standing anti-US sentiment rooted in decades of interventionism in Latin America. For…

> Disclaimer: this comment was written in Spanish and translated and edited with the assistance of ChatGPT, which is, admittedly, a US-based tool.

You could use DeepL! It's a German company.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by theturtlemoves »

rakoo wrote: post #309
gordian-mind wrote: post #303

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> Western-style billionaires do the former, as their wealth is created by providing services to people I'm sorry but this is just not based on reality. Wealth has always been formed by taking away from those who produce value. No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year. Services aren't provided, they are…

Wealth is formed by honest people trading amongst each other. Most people are like that.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by mapt »

twixfel wrote: post #329
mapt wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. I would just like the early American project of liberal democracy and Constitutional rights to outlive American capitalism and American militarism, even if it means it survives it in some other country. Because it's looking pretty bleak over here.

We ought to avoid repeating your mistakes, no? Maybe unlimited campaign donations and so on, all this wonderful "American free speech (money = speech)" is a fundamentally bad idea. Worked exceedingly well for ~225 years, now it has lead to the implosion of the empire by electing a sociopathic retard to the presidency. Yes to free speech, no to whatever fucked up shit the US, its billionaire "libertarians" and Christi…

The American political system didn't implode until its system of capitalism had the conditions necessary to escape its popular control. That wasn't necessarily an eventuality. We had a semi-functional campaign finance system in living memory.

Without the protections the Americans tried to shove into the First Amendment (which did not include anything about corporations at the time, as they did not exist) being enshrined into law, I worry that your issues with capital-government overreach will arise even faster than ours.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by theturtlemoves »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #313
gordian-mind wrote: post #303

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Ok. But if "Western-style billionaires" provide peace and prosperity, don't leave us hanging on what's causing all the misery and poverty!

I'd say media and advertising are the most likely. I'm pretty happy with the products I buy, I get good value. No complaints on the billionaires from me

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Post by immibis »

mk89 wrote: post #256
immibis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they could. You'd just have to answer subpoenas when the police are trying to identify a user, same as in the USA. You might get a few more of them. Recently a bunch of French people received jail time for repeatedly posting how the president was a pedophile and his wife was a man. Because, you know, harassment is illegal in many European countries. But the only obligation by the service provider, if asked, woul…

The second paragraph is exactly why people don't trust when a platform is based in EU. I never heard of American presidents going after individuals on Twitter or other platforms. Neither Obama, nor Biden and also not Trump who is receiving so much hatred and bad words, without even touching the assassination attempt. Which is probably the only reason why they threatened to go after people, but that seems to be unders…

Europeans are generally okay with bullying and harassment being illegal.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by nradov »

shafyy wrote: post #296
nradov wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which EU territory would that be? If you're referring to Greenland, it's actually not part of the EU.

Why not taking two seconds to look it up before making such a false statement? From Wikipedia: > Citizens of Greenland are full citizens of Denmark and of the European Union. Greenland is one of the Overseas Countries and Territories of the European Union and is part of the Council of Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

It's always disappointing to see that level of aggressive ignorance on HN. I flagged your comment because you're lying and spreading misinformation. Greenland is associated to the European Union but is is not and never has been part of the European Union; it was previously part of the predecessor organization the European Communities but withdrew before the EU was founded. Next time take two seconds to look it up.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #41
sschueller wrote: post #7

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ASML could also "brick" their machines running in the US.

The USA basically owns ASML since they invented the tech it's why they have to ask the USA congress permission to do stuff.

? EUV lithography was an international undertaking, some US research projects sure, but also Japanese (Hiroo Kinoshita, 80's), Russian (Georgiy Vaschenko, who is on all the patents for the 13.5 nm laser used (https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Georgiy+Vaschenko)), Dutch (of course), etc.

It's kind of ironic to think of a company as state controlled by the US given how anti-state-controlled the US can be when it comes to companies. ASML has majority shareholders in US companies like Intel and co, but that doesn't mean the US government has a say in it.

I mean they do because of international politics - just like the Dutch government has a say in things - but still.

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Post by ReptileMan »

ta20240528 wrote: post #110
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

Trying so hard to fend off Russia, but they can't put Taurus missiles on a truck and drive them to Kiev? Converting the Ford factory in Detroit into a tank factory is "trying hard".

Do you have any kind of analysis not written by a partisan hack that those Tauruses will change the tide of the war? There are couple of hundred of them in existence. Ukraine will burn trough them in 2 months and China will get the data how to counter them for free.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

ta20240528 wrote: post #110
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

Trying so hard to fend off Russia, but they can't put Taurus missiles on a truck and drive them to Kiev? Converting the Ford factory in Detroit into a tank factory is "trying hard".

They can, but they need to maintain their own security as well. Europe's war factories are running at full capacity at the moment. Plus there's still the political game being played as well, can't be too overt or aggressive because Russia might escalate. With nukes.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

twixfel wrote: post #235
mlrtime wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By trying to fend off, you mean stop sending Euros to Russia for energy?

Well, by 2027, the Russian gas imports will stop altogether.

At which point new pipelines from Siberia to China and India will likely be finished (if they aren't already)
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