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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by waffletower »

dubbie99 wrote: post #319
waffletower wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you scream at a child that shows you a beautiful shell they found on the beach -- "you didn't make that!" -- why assume that everyone's ego is entwined with sharing?

No, because the child is behaving as a curator which is a valuable act. I never hear ai “artists” claim to be curators, they always claim to be creatives.

Photographers were not initially respected as artists -- they are now. The history of this cultural evolution is well documented. It is easier than typing a prompt to take a picture with a smartphone, yet the respect for photography somehow remains. It is definitely a cultural problem.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Gagarin1917 wrote: post #163
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #46

If you couldn't have made the story into a short film before AI video then AI video isn't going to suddenly make you a talented film maker. Eventually one day you'll be able to put your vague story idea in and get a fully finished coherent well made movie out but currently if you lacked the talent before you're still lacking the talent today. We know this because actually existing talented film makers have done enter…

It’s ridiculous to say everyone who has an idea for a film could have gotten it made already if they had the skill. There are endless amounts of people with real skill in the film industry that cannot get their movie made even though they have the connections and the experience. Famous filmmakers even experience this. Imagine the number of people who couldn’t break into the industry or simply don’t trust it? There ar…

> could have gotten it made already

> cannot get their movie made even though they have the connections

I'm talking about film makers, as in directors who can either hold the camera themselves or instruct someone else where to point it from a budget they provide or source. You seem to be conflating having the talent to actually make a short film yourself with script writers getting a production green lit on someone elses dime.

Almost all successful directors have done the former at the start of their career.

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Post by WackyFighter »

epolanski wrote: post #294
soiltype wrote: post #198

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Yes, well, that sounds exactly like the skillset of a meme creator in a slightly different form factor. Most arguments against gen-AI are bad arguments - you can (and should) admit this even if you (like me) don't respect gen-AI.

I haven't stated anything about meme creators using AI, I just pointed out a DJ's skill isn't based on randomly playing songs.

I think a lot of people mean "Wedding DJ" or "Radio DJ".

However there is a whole small subculture around this. A friend would go hunting for records to sample in Charity shops for old vinyls (this was pre-ebay). This apparently is known a "Digging" and lot of Music Producers, DJs etc would do this to find samples for their sets/albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6aQgZFrVKE

Similar you have people using tracker software on old Amigas / Ataris to play sets.

e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkTQ-15jGD0&list=RDCkTQ-15jG...

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Post by lacoolj »

badsectoracula wrote: post #16

99% of everything is bad, so that unsurprisingly includes AI videos. But i've seen several good videos made using AI, including pretty much everything NeuralViz[0] on YouTube makes, but also some that have been posted in older comments here in HN. Igorrr's ADHD music video[1] was also made using AI and fit the music perfectly. The common aspect with these "good" uses though is that they do not let the AI do 99% of th…

Best recommendation I've been given in years. NeuralViz is amazing, thank you

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Post by CyberDildonics »

echelon wrote: post #196
NateEag wrote: post #186

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As a longtime musician, I fervently believe in doing the best you can with the tools you have. As a programmer with a philosophical bent, I have thought a lot about the implications and ethics of toolmaking. I concluded long before genAI was available that it is absolutely possible to build tools that dehumanize the users and damage the world around them. It seems to me that LLMs do that to an unprecedented degree. I…

The Corridor Crew [1] are luminaries in our field, and they are incredibly bullish on this tech. They've made dozens of essays and done tons of experiments showing that they think AI is going to be great for our field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRrSO7QhXY (scrub through the timelines to the end of these videos to see) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq5JaG53dho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUFlOynaUyk https…

The Corridor Crew [1] are luminaries in our field, and they are incredibly bullish on this tech.

They are literally "react" youtubers who have never worked a single day as professional vfx artists.

This is like saying Jake Paul is the heavyweight boxing champion of the world.

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Post by soiltype »

epolanski wrote: post #294
soiltype wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, well, that sounds exactly like the skillset of a meme creator in a slightly different form factor. Most arguments against gen-AI are bad arguments - you can (and should) admit this even if you (like me) don't respect gen-AI.

I haven't stated anything about meme creators using AI, I just pointed out a DJ's skill isn't based on randomly playing songs.

Oh. Why? I didn't see anybody arguing that DJing was random or unskilled.

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Post by stale2002 »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #303
stale2002 wrote: post #277

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> where all the musicians live, and they have no other place to go, only disconnect. No actually. Those musicians are free to continue making whatever music that they want and can refuse to listen to the AI music if they dont want to. The fact that 2 other, unrelated 3rd parties both like to make AI music and listen to AI music is not the musicians area of control here. They do not get to decide what other people lik…

You're confused at multiple levels. > free to continue making whatever music that they want Never said they weren't. > can refuse to listen to the AI music if they don't want to A musician can be a listener, indeed. If you believe a listener has this freedom and will keep it, you're most probably mistaken. No one besides musicians and discerning, ideologically relentless listeners is interested in making NN-generated…

> Never said they weren't.

Great! Problem solved then.

> A musician can be a listener, indeed.

Ok! They can listen to different music then.

> Listeners is not an unrelated party to a musician

No, musicians do not own other listeners. If other listeners want to listen to something else, thats their choice.

> we have two types of superficially similar product which are in fact substantially different

Ok! You are free to care, and other can think they are similar enough for them and their own purposes.

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