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US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by zmgsabst »

bakies wrote: post #98
dylan604 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like "national security" has become a phrase that can be used to circumvent many laws By has become, you mean always has been, right?

I guess I think it used to be more believable that it was used for security, but maybe I wouldn't if I knew better history.

I’m inclined to believe always — as the case establishing “state secrets” for national security was actually about covering up negligence.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/48-crash-us-hid-behind-natio...

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Post by iszomer »

triceratops wrote: post #263
nailer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> vast amounts of money on cultural programs for countries that didn't want them. I don't understand. How do you give someone money if they don't want it?

More like "if we can't be partners we'll find your enemies and fund them instead." or, "we'll partner with your next of kin who may be more sympathetic [or suggestive] to our concerns."

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Post by gmac »

ineedasername wrote: post #315
jeltz wrote: post #294

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They were approved before the invasion of Ukraine and before our politicians could see how devestating drones can be. Just because the orange dictator did something does not mean it necessarily was wrong. Even a broken clock is right two times per day.

>"Even a broken clock is right two times per day." That is incorrect. There are any number of ways in which a clock might be broken such that its hands are not in the correct position even once per day.

Not incorrect so much as underspecified?

The phrase more commonly starts with a ‘stopped’ clock, which works more clearly.

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Post by the__alchemist »

stevage wrote: post #248
the__alchemist wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea... I don't trust the motivations, but can confirm that on AA radars looking low (Where you might find UAS or just low-flying aircraft), wind farms show up as clusters of false hits.

But if they're just false hits it's easy to filter them out, right?

Yes, but it increases the difficulty of finding an aircraft moving near them.

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Post by nixosbestos »

Can we summon the Trumphole licking HN users that spent their reputation insisting that us "libtards" were freaking out, and get them in here to explain how this fits in the MAGA 4D Chess?

Or is it against HN decorum to point out just how much of that shit-headery fart-huffing was allowed and transpired here, on HN?

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Post by cr1895 »

blahedo wrote: post #28

I've been wondering all year about what happens when an executive-branch office issues orders that it is not legally qualified to issue; by and large everybody has just... followed them. This may be another example (I don't know quite enough of the legal specifics in this case, though there are certainly others that are more slam-dunk-y in this respect). What are the enforcement mechanisms here if the states in quest…

Just something to keep in mind - the actual site of these wind farms is offshore in federal waters, and construction is subject to federal (as well as state) permits.

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Post by cr125rider »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #256
tony_cannistra wrote: post #21

I looked into this a little because I was curious. I guess the ostensible "national security" rationale (which clearly is not the only reason!) for this is that turbines severely degrade the utility of radar surveillance along the coastlines. This is particularly relevant for low-altitude incursions and drones. Now, other large governments (UK) have resolved this in several ways, including the deployment of additiona…

These things are also probably really loud if you happen to have a sensitive set of sonar buoys. I'm not entirely sure how you solve that one, because putting them in deeper water would also make them less effective.

This seems like maybe the least BS answer. Sub detection.

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Post by unmole »

pheggs wrote: post #174
linuxhansl wrote: post #29

What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions. Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

there are at least two reasons trump is pushing for oil: 1) the US has lots of oil reserves, which would lose lots of value if everybody was using renewables 2) oil is the main driver for dollar demand, as oil is paid in dollar, allowing the US to have lots of debt relatively cheaply That's also the reason why he wants to tell Europe to stop using renewables, and that's the reason why he is threatening Venezuela - be…

> oil is the main driver for dollar demand, as oil is paid in dollar

This stupid meme needs to die.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

jeltz wrote: post #298
reactordev wrote: post #61

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This. Also, drones can be jammed pretty easily so making jamming stations on those platforms would be something too. The Brit’s have the right approach, just put radar on them so now you can see past them.

Jamming drones has gotten much harder. Ukraine and Russia have worked hard at defending against jamming.

Those drones trail fibre optic cable
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