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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by halperter »

markstos wrote: post #316

> ≥70% of songs are ones almost no one ever listens to (stream count So much interesting but undiscovered music is out there!

It would be interesting to find out how that has changed with the growth of the music industry over the years. I suspect that many of these <1000 streamed could be artificially generated for monetary purposes but I'm not entirely sure. That being said, there is a lot of good music with less than 1000 streams. I've been looking myslef and I've definitely found some hidden gems.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by justatdotin »

junon wrote: post #327
justatdotin wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am having a lot of trouble following you. Something has upset you: what would make you feel better? do you mean that researchers should be disallowed from accessing art? I do not see how research interferes with all the benefits you prioritise. Can't you continue to enjoy those benefits? Many people think 'real' music has electric guitars. I think they're wrong, but why argue with them? I think it's fine if you do…

> I am having a lot of trouble following you. Something has upset you: what would make you feel better? Don't talk to people like here, please. It's passive aggressive and unproductive. GP's comment was fine, if not a bit impassioned, regardless if you agree with it.

thanks for the correction, I do not want to be aggressive.

I see now I should have just asked: what do you want?

to prefix my response with an admission that I'm not sure what the problem is.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by davsti4 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #210
vlaaad wrote: post #57

Unrelated, but I just can't stop myself from saying that I absolutely hate Spotify even though I'm a paying customer. Fuck you Spotify. You were supposed to be a convenient way to discover and listen to music. Now you are only convenient for listening to music, and absolutely terrible for any recommendations. This is sad really. Spotify had good recommendations. It's absolutely in a position where it can provide good…

I always find these takes curious because they could not be further from my experience. I'm still discovering tons of good music. Perhaps it's specific to genres, but I haven't encountered any generated junk tracks.

Really? How about asking google to "play bloomberg news on spotify" next time. Then see if you can remove the resulting chaos from your history so it won't start feeding you slop.

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Post by scratchyone »

gmueckl wrote: post #178
BonoboIO wrote: post #139

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That made me chuckle, Enterprise Level Access. I mean as ai company, that’s incredibly cheap and instead of torrenting something, why get it. That price is just a fraction of a engineers salary.

But then you have a money trail connecting the company unambiguously to copyright violations on a scale that is arguably larger than Napster.

I believe they're largely targeting foreign companies who don't care much about US copyright law.

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2012 wrote: post #132
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

This leak will also be really useful to bad actors who will resell the music from this list without paying royalties to the artists.

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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by avoutos »

silcoon wrote: post #283
Aurornis wrote: post #21

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> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. I wouldn’t be so sure. There are already tools to automatically locate and stream pirated TV and movie content automatic and on demand. They’re so common that I had non-t…

> The Anna’s archive group is ideologically motivated. Anna’s archive business is stealing copyrighted content and selling access to it. It's not ideologically motivated. What ideology is about pirating books and music where most of the people producing this stuff cannot afford to do it full-time? It's not like pirating movies, software and large videogame studios, which is still piracy, but they also make big money…

Agreed. I see far too many people rationalizing piracy as a principled thing to do. Instead of finding ways to improve the market such that the control of content isn't siloed in monopolistic corporations, many celebrate Annas Archive which is itself a more or less monopolistic profit-interested entity. The major difference being that we don't have to pay directly. The cost continues to fall on the writers and artists and the industry suffers.

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Post by ninjin »

dehrmann wrote: post #215
lkramer wrote: post #141

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Which is how Spotify started... And is still carrying on. So nothing has changed.

I think they build the demo with pirated music, but it was licensed by the time customers started paying for it.

Correct, the pirated music library was before they exited the closed Alpha.

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Post by komali2 »

noduerme wrote: post #272
toomuchtodo wrote: post #217

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Cost recovery isn’t profit. Copyright is just a shared delusion, like most laws. They’re just bits on a disk we’re told are special for ~100 years (or whatever the copyright lockup length is in your jurisdiction), after which they’re no longer special (having entered the public domain). I think what is more ironic is we somehow were comfortable being collectively conditioned (manufactured consent?) with the idea that…

It's not the bits that are copyrighted, it's the performance and the creative work. Your savings account is just bits on a disk, yet presumably it represents value that you worked for and which belongs to you to do with what you wish.

> Your savings account is just bits on a disk, yet presumably it represents value that you worked for and which belongs to you to do with what you wish.

That's another example of the shared delusion, since yes, we tell eachother it represents labor and resources, and the market engages in allocation somewhat efficiently, and so the money is a pretty accurate representation of the value of labor and the value of resources.

In reality, that's not true, because the most highly compensated jobs are some of the least valuable, such as investment bankers, landlords, or being born rich (which isn't even a job, but is compensated anyway). Rent seeking is one of the most highly compensated things you can do under this system, but also one of the most parasitic and least valuable things.

Your savings account's number is totally detached from accurately representing value. It's mostly a representation of where you were born.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by komali2 »

avoutos wrote: post #336
silcoon wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Anna’s archive group is ideologically motivated. Anna’s archive business is stealing copyrighted content and selling access to it. It's not ideologically motivated. What ideology is about pirating books and music where most of the people producing this stuff cannot afford to do it full-time? It's not like pirating movies, software and large videogame studios, which is still piracy, but they also make big money…

Agreed. I see far too many people rationalizing piracy as a principled thing to do. Instead of finding ways to improve the market such that the control of content isn't siloed in monopolistic corporations, many celebrate Annas Archive which is itself a more or less monopolistic profit-interested entity. The major difference being that we don't have to pay directly. The cost continues to fall on the writers and artist…

> Instead of finding ways to improve the market such that the control of content isn't siloed in monopolistic corporations

I always assumed the "Anna" in the name was for "Anarchist." My assumption about the archive is that they don't believe there's an ethical solution to the restriction of access to data that involves a capitalist market.

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