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Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by mrguyorama »

dragonwriter wrote: post #249
bilbo0s wrote: post #84

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This. Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters. That said, there are a lot of other models out there that care about neither licensing nor alignment. So those will allow you to make racist content. Then you can do whatever you like with that generated content. A lot of IP owners will learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's easier than people t…

> Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters. Don’t believe for a minute that whatever filters it uses will be sensitive enough to the way racist content is constructed to stop people from doing just that.

"Don't let the user do racist shit" is literally AGI Hard territory of problem solving.

It's right up there with "Let kids communicate anonymously but not to perverts" and "Is this porn or educational?"

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Post by caminante »

wat10000 wrote: post #280
caminante wrote: post #122

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Amen. Blaming Disney for bad content is like blaming politicians. Who asked for the content? Who elected the politicians? ** [Jiminy] crickets**

We can acknowledge that people are terrible, while also wanting people not to cater to the lowest common denominator.

You appear to be lost.

Who said and where's the "false dichotomy" you allude to in the discussion above?

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Post by toast0 »

jpadkins wrote: post #263

OpenAI is using a page from 2010's Facebook playbook. They know their valuation is hyper inflated, so they are using those crazy valuations to buy stuff with equity (just like Facebook bought WhatsApp with private stock with crazy valuations).

> just like Facebook bought WhatsApp with private stock with crazy valuations

FB bought Instagram April 9, 2012 with ~ 30% cash and 70% stock, and then IPO'd May 18, 2012. That's probably what you mean. FB bought WhatsApp Feb 19, 2014 with ~ 25% cash and 75% public stock that was roughly 2x the IPO price. The private valuation might be crazy, but it's increased with public trading, so I dunno.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by MandieD »

afavour wrote: post #233
podgietaru wrote: post #120

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I actually straight up don't think they give a shit anymore. I think decorum works in an environment where decorum is the norm, but we have entered a political moment where that is no longer the case. And I think that this kind of thing bleeds so heavily into culture that they no longer give a shit about having their characters next to it. They have enough plausible deniability; they did not create the content. I thi…

When I became a parent I was really surprised at how much crap Disney puts out. My previous exposure had just been their blockbuster movies which showed a close attention to detail. But you scratch under the surface and it's an endless pile of awful quality clothing, crappy lunchboxes, that kind of thing. To the point where you assume it's an unauthorized rip off until you discover they license to anyone. And to say…

If I never hear the theme to "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" again, it will be too soon.

We don't let our kid watch TV at home, barely watching it ourselves, and have no streaming subscriptions. My American niece, on the other hand, a mere two years my son's senior, has had a TV in her room since at least age 5 with access to Disney+, and my brother and sister-in-law let her fall asleep to it. She was a good little hostess, putting on something she thought her younger cousin would like, and she was, sadly, correct. However, while she had spent her life with constant AV stimulation, my kid couldn't sleep.

I eventually had to tell her that if she wanted her cousin to sleep in her room, she had to turn off the TV at bedtime. This was very, very hard for her, and she couldn't understand why he couldn't sleep.

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Post by mikepurvis »

close04 wrote: post #102
mikepurvis wrote: post #72

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Buying already existing shares of a public company is very different from buying just-created shares of a private one. You literally are just handing them money for a piece of paper that says “lol you now own x% of whatever this thing turns out to be worth in the future.”

Shares are always "x% of whatever this thing turns out to be worth in the future". It can be something, it can be nothing. Disney is giving them money in the hopes that the AI market (bubble?) keeps growing and the value of OpenAI grows with it. And importantly, Disney wants to shift to AI generated slo... content so partnering with a top player with a proven product is a safe choice. Disney licenses its IP to OpenAI…

Right, but the distinction is that if I go buy a few thousand shares of DIS today, I'm not handing money to the Disney company, rather I'm handing it to the previous owners of those shares. The total pool of them is fixed, so it's all basically zero sum. At most my purchase might signal (in a microscopic way) to the market that there's demand, and push up the price, which benefits Disney.

It's very different when a privately held company creates new shares to sell, because then the money used to purchase those shares really does go right back to the company.

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Post by wat10000 »

armenarmen wrote: post #173
caminante wrote: post #122

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Amen. Blaming Disney for bad content is like blaming politicians. Who asked for the content? Who elected the politicians? ** [Jiminy] crickets**

Fwiw I think the all US presidents since Clinton were elected on a non interventionist/pacifist campaign. Blaming the voters when every one of them (less so with Biden) violated those promises is a bit unfair, if you still believe in democracy.

Blaming the voters seems completely sensible when they reelected W in 2004. The man's Vice President was Dick freakin' Cheney. You can't seriously tell me the people voted for pacifism and got screwed over.

Re: The Walt Disney Company and OpenAI Partner on Sora

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Post by ben_w »

afavour wrote: post #233
podgietaru wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually straight up don't think they give a shit anymore. I think decorum works in an environment where decorum is the norm, but we have entered a political moment where that is no longer the case. And I think that this kind of thing bleeds so heavily into culture that they no longer give a shit about having their characters next to it. They have enough plausible deniability; they did not create the content. I thi…

When I became a parent I was really surprised at how much crap Disney puts out. My previous exposure had just been their blockbuster movies which showed a close attention to detail. But you scratch under the surface and it's an endless pile of awful quality clothing, crappy lunchboxes, that kind of thing. To the point where you assume it's an unauthorized rip off until you discover they license to anyone. And to say…

> To the point where you assume it's an unauthorized rip off until you discover they license to anyone.

That explains the surprisingly mediocre Darth Vader toy I saw over the weekend, and the "the only Star Wars part of this trailer is the lightsaber"-ness on the ads for the new Star Wars game.

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Post by buu700 »

torginus wrote: post #319
DarkNova6 wrote: post #307

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Disney has been a wannabe tech company for the longest of times. They started the streaming Wars with Disney+ and have had massive spend on AI already. There is virtually no creative or artistic talent left in the company.

Isn't Disney on of the oldest tech companies of all time? The engineering that goes into their parks is insane, and they have been consistently pushing live experiences. The logistics that goes on in the background to let as many people as possible have a good experience is also insane. And that's just Disneyland. There's a guy on youtube who makes fascinating hour-long documentaries about every aspect of Disneyland.

As I recall, Randy Pausch had a lot of positive things to say about Disney Imagineering.

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Post by ojr »

notyourwork wrote: post #213
yreg wrote: post #209

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I understand that Disney might care about this, but I don't see why they should. What exactly does “fanart” (no matter how distasteful and controversial) change? Let people generate whatever fictional character they want.

It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would not care about that??

Tiktok has AI moderation tools that you are highly underestimating.

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Post by array_key_first »

mrguyorama wrote: post #313
littlecorner wrote: post #308

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There's an instinct in many of us to destroy and pervert, and it can lead to very dark places.

This is silly. They aren't trying to pervert the children. This isn't some cabal. It's just money. It's just people trying to get children's eyeballs to collect minuscule ad revenue. It's the same as the people who abuse their kids for a Youtube channel, or the russian companies that put out 10 """DIY""" shorts a day which are just fake. Youtube rewards constant churning content creation, so that's what is done

Yes, spiderman and Elsa on YouTube is a prime example. It's just slop for kids, they're not even in the same universe. But kids like spiderman, and they also like Elsa, so... here we are.

They do it because it actually works.

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