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In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Fuel is sold by volume, which is why volumetric fuel efficiency is desirable to the consumer

Fuel is sold by volume and fuel type ; diesel is about 25% more expensive per gallon than regular gasoline where I am.

And it is 10% cheaper than gasoline where I am (South-Africa)

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-03612 > Some drivers can apply for Low-Income Discount or Low-Income Tax Credit for Residents. > A 50% discount is available for low-income vehicle owners enrolled in the Low-Income Discount Plan (LIDP). This discount begins after the first 10 trips in a calendar month and applies to all peak period trips after that for the remainder of the calendar month. The revenue a…

I hate this distinctly American idea that no policy can cause any detriment to any disadvantaged people at all, even if the policy effects are incredibly income-progressive overall. This is how we end up with carveouts for every special interest group in every single policy, the populace justifying turnstile hopping, lack of traffic enforcement by police, opposition to speed and red light cameras, opposition to rezon…

I mean, if we're gonna pick a group to impact, the ones who aren't already deeply struggling seem like the place to do it. Given the parent poster's commenting history here, though, I don't think they have a genuine concern in "disparate impact" at all.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Chevy Suburban: ~ 5,700–6,100lbs Model 3: ~ 3,860–3,900+ lbs Suburban is about 1.5–1.6× heavier than a Tesla Model 3.

A a bus is over 40,000lbs. More than 10x heavier than a Tesla Model 3.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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>Fewer cars in general is the win from congestion pricing, though. And lower VMTs (vehicle miles traveled) is also a win for the planet, it's probably the best weapon the average person has access to in the fight against climate change. Transit usage begets transit usage; more fares paid to the agency enables better frequencies and more routes, leading to more people opting to take transit instead of driving... In a…

If we're speaking about individual actions, isn't avoiding air travel more effective than any other form of individual vehicle travel choice?

Is it? Planes still pollute a lot less than cars per same distance (unless you have 4-5 people in them)

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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I think this comment is a great example of what the OP is talking about. Your comment is completely divorced from the context of congestion pricing in New York City . For example: > Taking a basic task like driving into the city, something many people are forced to do for work That is simply not the case in NYC. Very, very few people must drive into the center of Manhattan to work. It was already unaffordable to do s…

> Very, very few people must drive into the center of Manhattan to work. I assure you that Manhattan is filled with many employees and service workers. > It was already unaffordable to do so anyway Yes, it was a massive strain on the budgets of many people, and it's the people who managed to sacrifice enough to show up for work or get where they needed to go anyway even though it was difficult for them who were most…

>I assure you that Manhattan is filled with many employees and service workers.

That is not a meaningful response to "Very, very few people must drive into the center of Manhattan to work.", the two statements do not contradict each other. Those employees and service workers take the subway.

> When it's an option for them and at the expense of time/convince

The subway is both faster and cheaper than driving in NYC at peak hours. Traffic has historically been awful, hence the congestion charge! Trading money to gain time/convenience is what the rich do. The "small guy" didn't have the money for the bridges, tunnels and parking before the congestion charge even arrived.

> It's also important to note that nationally, nobody knows or cares about the specific differences in NYC compared to their own cities.

Yes, that is literally my point about why conversations like this one are fruitless.

> They just know that the small guy is getting screwed over

Right but that isn't true. They are mistaken in what they "know" because, as you said, they don't know or care about the specific differences in NYC compared to their own cities.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Im not sure this fits, they saw a much larger drop (18%) in heavy duty trucks entering the city, and a smaller drop (9%) in passenger cars. I am not sure the public transit options are close alternatives for heavy duty trucks.

Do we know that those heavy duty trucks were formerly used to do things you need heavy duty trucks for? It seems more likely that 18% (or more!) of the usage was by people who think heavy duty trucks look cool and wanted to show off theirs.

That's the difficulty with the Light/Medium/Heavy Duty categories. It doesn't tell you a huge amount about what the vehicle is being used for but most of them heavy duty mean commercial or utility. There are a handful of popular models that tip into the Heavy duty class and those are usually 3/4 ton pickups. Not sure how popular those are in NYC though.

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They should make pedestrian-only streets in most dense places of Manhattan and use these money to improve public transportation. Even just a few blocks of no cars would make a huge difference for livability of the city center.

Big agree. Times Square would be a great place to start.

Isn't times square already pedestrian?

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/4/19/15358234/times-square-snohet...

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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I think this comment is a great example of what the OP is talking about. Your comment is completely divorced from the context of congestion pricing in New York City . For example: > Taking a basic task like driving into the city, something many people are forced to do for work That is simply not the case in NYC. Very, very few people must drive into the center of Manhattan to work. It was already unaffordable to do s…

You're replying to someone with the username "autoexec".

Probably referring to autoexec.bat, not cars.

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If that were true of tires, you would expect an EV’s tires to get substantially less range before wearing out…which I don’t believe is the case.

It is actually the case! That's why your choice of tires on online sites gets so smaller as soon as you tuck the "electric/hybrid vehicle" case!

Specialized EV tires are also optimized for drag and noise, wear is just a factor. Anecdotally speaking I'm at over 80k km on a set of EV tires with at least 20k more to go. The issue has more to do with driving style and engine power than any other factors.
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