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Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by mxkopy »

cortesoft wrote: post #328
lemming wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this law pushes back against the idea that it's ok to make endless tech products which are essentially future rubbish as soon as you buy them, then I think that's a good thing. Perhaps products like this just shouldn't exist until we have better ways of dealing with the remains.

Who gets to choose what products are future rubbish? Even if you think this product is a waste of resources, why is THIS waste of resources something we should stop, but not other, bigger wastes? Should we outlaw flying somewhere when you could take a train? The fuel spent on a short flight wastes way more resources and damages the environment much more than this smart ring does. If we are willing to ban this piece o…

Sure, thanks for bringing it up. Short-range flights should have a higher higher threshold for permitted use in service of the environment.

Please, ask more questions.

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Post by maest »

cortesoft wrote: post #328
lemming wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this law pushes back against the idea that it's ok to make endless tech products which are essentially future rubbish as soon as you buy them, then I think that's a good thing. Perhaps products like this just shouldn't exist until we have better ways of dealing with the remains.

Who gets to choose what products are future rubbish? Even if you think this product is a waste of resources, why is THIS waste of resources something we should stop, but not other, bigger wastes? Should we outlaw flying somewhere when you could take a train? The fuel spent on a short flight wastes way more resources and damages the environment much more than this smart ring does. If we are willing to ban this piece o…

You may find this a useful read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

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Post by jeremyjh »

ddoeth wrote: post #293
47282847 wrote: post #289

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As a European, I actually fully support this regulation!

Me too, i hate that I would have to throw out a fully functioning device if the battery dies.

I understand that sentiment but I think its arbitrary. People buy lots of products that don't have a useful life exceeding two years. For example, every pet toy ever sold. Some will have higher impact for manufacturing and disposal than this ring.

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Post by braincat31415 »

MarkusWandel wrote: post #271
braincat31415 wrote: post #266

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There is another way to go about it - ignoring the phone completely while enjoying biking or jogging. Or leaving it at home. Unless I am on a call duty, all my notifications can wait.

My notification volume is relatively low, but there is one kind of notification, involving a certain significant other (we have high-needs kids) that requires action. So if the phone rings or there is a text message, for example, seeing at a glance (no button presses) what number it is from definitely allows stop/continue decision. I wish I did have a life where I can leave the electronic leash at home, or at least o…

Understood.

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Post by afandian »

rendx wrote: post #269

Regulation (EU) 2023/1542 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2023 concerning batteries and waste batteries Article 11 Removability and replaceability of portable batteries and LMT batteries 1. Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those batteries are readily removable and replaceable by the end-user at any time during th…

> at any time during the lifetime of the product

Eric said that the lifetime of the product is 'up to years'. Presumably because that's the limitation imposed by a disposable battery.

I wonder if the circular reasoning would fly in the EU.

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Post by smeej »

I think I'm as interested in it from a pure "button that's always with me" perspective. I already have my original Amazfit Bip watch configured to send a "track back" signal to Snipd via Gadgetbridge to snip podcast notes while I'm driving or washing dishes or whatever. And I've configured a basic Bluetooth remote camera shutter to turn pages forward and backward in KOReader on my Onyx Boox Poke 2 Color so I can read it on a stand while riding a stationary bike under my desk.

In other words, I am apparently exactly the kind of weirdo who would use the heck out of something like this!

Re: Pebble Index 01 – External memory for your brain

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Post by jfindper »

jeremyjh wrote: post #329
lemming wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this law pushes back against the idea that it's ok to make endless tech products which are essentially future rubbish as soon as you buy them, then I think that's a good thing. Perhaps products like this just shouldn't exist until we have better ways of dealing with the remains.

If the battery lasts for two years its exceeding the useful life of many other products already, some of which of have higher environment cost for manufacturing and disposal. The law has chosen poor proxies for lifespan and impact.

Yes, other things cause e-waste. Sometimes worse.

That's not a good justification for more e-waste.

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Post by SchemaLoad »

eichin wrote: post #301
kwanbix wrote: post #107

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Or better yet. Use your cellphone wich most of us carry 90% of the time?

If I could press one button (and not unlock the phone) I would; my samsung even has an extra wasted button (the "bixby" button) but it isn't reconfigurable. (Still fails for the "while driving" case but I'd be using it the rest of the time)

You can do it on the iphone with the action button.

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Post by dingaling »

lopis wrote: post #238
adammarples wrote: post #183

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Then just put the button on the watch? In fact, why isn't this just a button on the watch?

If you had read the post you would know the answer.

"This was tough to use while bicycling or carrying stuff."

That seems an incredibly limited set of use cases for the complication of adding another device to one's life.

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Post by smeej »

graypegg wrote: post #74

Hmm... I sort of would've preferred it was JUST a button. I wonder if you could even make it perpetually powered by body heat + buffer battery if it's ONLY job was to emit a couple packets over BLE with some burned in ID that you save on the watch. I don't know how efficient peltier elements are going to be on such a small area, but the cold side would be attached to a big metal ring, which feels like an adequate hea…

Plus, even if you wear the watch on one arm and the ring on the opposite hand, they're only ever a maximum of your wingspan apart when in use.

I'd just love the "customizable button on a ring" concept, and that battery could last basically forever.

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