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Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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I love how confidently you reply in a way that makes you think Israel just has a right to do it. Like they have a right to just level buildings because they think it's booby trapped. You're someone that has deepthroated the Israeli narrative, with no critical thinking whatsoever. I hope, for your own sake, you start to see more of the reality, as defending a violent regime like this can have an impact on ones soul, w…

Did I say Israel has a right to do all these things? No, I did not. I described the situation and their reasoning. Now Israel does have a right to defend itself. Hamas, the government of Gaza, forfeited their relatively peaceful situation when they openly attacked Israel. That doesn't mean everything Israel does is unquestionable. There is plenty open to criticism. There is also a fog of war, and much is unknown now…

> forfeited their relatively peaceful situation

There you go. Even when you want to hide it, you can't.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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So a Unity owned bloatware company being used by Samsung is now somehow controversial because it was founded in Israel? Am i reading this right?

Yep.

The First thing that popped into my head, was

- is this a problem because of bloatware in general? Or…

- because its Israeli bloatware?

If the latter, I would understand your discomfort because of past security intrusions by Israeli companies.

But not if it’s just „IsRa-HeLl bAd“

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Uhhhh, not sure about you, but I wouldn't want anything Israeli within 10m of my phone.

If you want to _really_ bar anything of Israeli origin, you should: - Not use Intel processors, as many are developed in Haifa - Not use a firewall. It was invented in the IDF. - Not use Waze. It's Israeli. - Not use thumb drives. Invented in Israel. - Not eat cherry tomatoes. Israeli development. The list goes on and on, but I must add - if you ever suffer a serious head or stomach injury, tell the medics to not use…

Considering the political context around Israel it is clear that cherry tomatoes being an Israeli development (apparently) is completely irrelevant here.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Did I say Israel has a right to do all these things? No, I did not. I described the situation and their reasoning. Now Israel does have a right to defend itself. Hamas, the government of Gaza, forfeited their relatively peaceful situation when they openly attacked Israel. That doesn't mean everything Israel does is unquestionable. There is plenty open to criticism. There is also a fog of war, and much is unknown now…

> forfeited their relatively peaceful situation There you go. Even when you want to hide it, you can't.

If you assert this, it is a open attack against the rule of law. Society requires peace, and peace requires deterrence and enforcement. Feel free to feel morally righteous, but recognize that your opinion on moral righteousness condemns all people to live the rule of the jungle.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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What’s striking is how often these ‘small’ surveillance tech stories trace back to the same state-aligned ecosystem. When Israel does it, it’s treated as a complex security issue. When another ‘bad’ country does the same thing, we immediately call it espionage. And almost on cue, the discussion drifts anywhere except the uncomfortable fact that it’s the same ecosystem from the same country showing up again.

it’s a tough infosec situation because the tel aviv-haifa corridor in israel has an enormous amount of computer science R&D going on that gives US companies a competitive advantage. for example, annapurna labs in haifa develops the technology behind AWS’s nitro cards, which run the hypervisor, block storage, and networking in every EC2 server.

Is it though? US and EU telecom companies pulled the plug on Huawei products, which were deeply integrated in all of their setup, as soon as someone said they may be spying or remote disabled by China. It was expensive, sure, but they pulled the plug. I don't recall any concrete evidence of backdoors etc to be found, but trust was gone.

And that's the difference I think; US and Israel have high trust, they are aligned in ideals and strategy and the like.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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I mean, it's literally the same thing that happens when past genocides are bad, but when they happen today from an ally of the west... "it's complicated". Except this time happens on the technological side rather than the humanitarian one

> an ally of the west Remind me again of all the help Israel has provided the USA/the West that they are considered such a great (the greatest, in fact) ally?

Heaps of military and intelligence technology, base of operations / bastion in the middle east, etc.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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I recently bought a cheap android device because I needed to test something on Android. The setup was about 3 hours of the device starting up, asking me questions, installing apps I explicitly told it not to, and then all sorts of other apps and OS updates trying to do their thing seemingly at once. I wasn't even transferring data, just a brand new phone, new google account. What a horrible experience you get with so…

This regulation should've happened 25 years ago, because the same thing was done with laptops.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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"I was so happy to get locked into a different eco system" is all I hear.

When you think of old phones, think of the touch interface on a printer. I don't like Apple either, they are DEFINITELY rent seeking and violating their users' privacy at the same time. There is no excuse for that. I think what the parent post was talking about is something historical. An iPhone at that time was a large step above a Nokia or a Sony Ericsson in terms of flexibility.

Hold on a sec. Nokia and Ericsson made lots and lots of phone modeles. If you're comparing with cheap ordinary models everyone had, then sure, first iphone was great, but that's not a fair comparison. This is:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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This is why custom ROM support is the first question I ask when buying a new Android phone

Rather refurbished, because those are longer on market thus development of custom ROM (like LineageOS) is more likely. And of course you save a lot of money.

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Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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post #204

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it’s a tough infosec situation because the tel aviv-haifa corridor in israel has an enormous amount of computer science R&D going on that gives US companies a competitive advantage. for example, annapurna labs in haifa develops the technology behind AWS’s nitro cards, which run the hypervisor, block storage, and networking in every EC2 server.

Is it though? US and EU telecom companies pulled the plug on Huawei products, which were deeply integrated in all of their setup, as soon as someone said they may be spying or remote disabled by China. It was expensive, sure, but they pulled the plug. I don't recall any concrete evidence of backdoors etc to be found, but trust was gone. And that's the difference I think; US and Israel have high trust, they are aligne…

I don't think it's wise for us to trust a country that has a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to the ways they spy on us.

I hate that I have to say this, but I'm a Jew and I'm not anti-Semitic in any way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_espionage_in_the_Unite...

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