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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ohyoutravel »

thrance wrote: post #330
potato3732842 wrote: post #321

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You're the one missing the point. Even if ICE were "acting like professionals" it would still not make it ok to have roving bands of fedcops. Heck, change their issue of enforcement from immigration and customs to something else and it's still not acceptable. The government should not have this type of force projection power domestically without going through at least the states or picking the nuclear-ish option and…

I think we're saying the same thing? Brown shirts are bad, ICE is currently occupying the role of brown shirts, therefore ICE is bad, yes?

I am having a hard time distinguishing your points. I think you two are in agreement.

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Post by uoaei »

straydusk wrote: post #196
pton_xd wrote: post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

What kind of innane logic are you using here?! Yes, if the systems are installed for a reason approved by the public, and then they're used for a different reason, people don't like that.

Did you get to vote on whether Flock could operate in your area?

The police chiefs are usually the ones pushing the initiative. Have you ever voted for a police chief in your life?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Izikiel43 »

drdeca wrote: post #299
Izikiel43 wrote: post #227

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Sure, then don't complain if you get into a crash and your insurance finds you at fault. Actions have consequences.

So, if a traffic light never changed from red to green, you would advise..? Or do you just mean “in that situation, be very careful not to crash”?

Call the cops and have them organize traffic, they have a literal traffic department.

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Post by uoaei »

potato3732842 wrote: post #272
qwerpy wrote: post #167

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I agree with this. As a resident of a neighboring suburb to Redmond, I would have welcomed more automated cameras to cut down on street racing, package thefts, and car prowls. In fact I want all of the suburbs around me to implement this so that criminals can't just flee to another jurisdiction and escape justice.

> so that criminals can't just flee to another jurisdiction and escape justice. I think it's a fair deal so long as you can't escape to Utah/Idaho/Colorado when you realize the dystopia you've created isn't the kind of place you want to raise a family.

Great idea: make it a crime to move away from Flock-laden neighborhoods once you put your name on a petition to have them installed. See how quickly they short-circuit.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by johnnyanmac »

parrellel wrote: post #284
snickerbockers wrote: post #267

So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?

People were okay with it when they assumed, I think naively, that only guilty people had anything to hide. Now that we've got someone willing to throw all rules and morals to the wayside in charge, they've understandably begun to reassess.

Sure wish Americans could understand the issues before they happen. Not after it's too late.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

SilverElfin wrote: post #325
whatsupdog wrote: post #315

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Let me know when you go after the people employing the illegal immigrants instead of the immigrants themselves. Until then, the stance here is clearly not aimed at minimizing immigration. You're wasting at best while the hive continues to thrive with honey, protecting its queen.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

sergiomattei wrote: post #308
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #170

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Walk from Pike Place Market, 1st and Pike, east up Pike St toward Capitol Hill. Count the number of homeless camps you see sitting on cardboard boxes in the middle of the sidewalks. All along Pike St, 3rd Ave, 4th Ave. And then count the number of SPD officers you see (ignoring the fanny-pack guys handing out naloxone). You'll get it.

I’m so glad you mention “going up Pike towards Capitol Hill” because I live right on the section where Cap Hill & First Hill starts. My lived experience is that I could walk the length of Pike from Bellevue Ave towards the waterfront and see two-three tents at most. Homeless yes, but encampments? “Overrun”? “Tent city”? It’s so easy to make hyperbolic statements and a pain to prove them wrong. I can see how you get a…

Start at Boren Ave and walk down Pike Street. Film it.

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Post by zapataband2 »

whatsupdog wrote: post #315
potato3732842 wrote: post #302

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I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy pe…

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"iN sUM cOunTries"

And in this country border agents pepper spray citizens and black bag elementary school teachers terrorizing your own children. What is this the shitty authoritarian olympics? I thought this was the land of the free and all I see is bootlickers.

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Post by zapataband2 »

whatsupdog wrote: post #317
o11c wrote: post #279

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I'd have no problems enforcing laws about illegal immigrants if they actually bothered to check and not just deport random brown people even if they're citizens.

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Many of those people are seeking asylum, which is legal. It sounds like you're the one that fell for a fake invasion. But everyone in your family will get a raise once you terrorize the brown people enough, right?

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Post by pseudalopex »

crote wrote: post #292
pseudalopex wrote: post #280

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Some states elect state judges. Some states appoint state judges. Federal judges are appointed. Appointed judges in the US and other countries show the same problems as elected judges.

The appointed federal judges in the US are nominated by a political President, and confirmed by a simple majority in a two-party-system Senate, and serve for life. They have (unsurprisingly) become quite political, with either party appointing judges who'd be likely to judge in their favour. This is not at all comparable to appointed judges in other countries, where politicians usually don't have any input on the app…

Some governments reject separation of powers. Some countries have politicians select judges openly. Some countries' politicians worked around or subverted the systems intended to prevent politicians influencing judge selection.

Appointment is the most common method of selecting lower- and higher-court judges in common-law countries, and for supreme and constitutional courts in civil- and mixed-system countries. In most countries, this appointment is by the executive, but there are systems that assign the minister of justice and members of the judiciary a role in the appointment process.[1]

[1] https://judiciariesworldwide.fjc.gov/judicial-selection

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