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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by rootusrootus »

StarGrit wrote: post #133
rootusrootus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An electronic version of coal rolling. "You can't tell me this is unhealthy, and I'm going to prove it!"

People "roll coal" it because it is kinda amusing to do it, and it is a middle finger towards people they perceive to be preachy. I accidentally "rolled coal" in my 90s Landrover because I was in totally the wrong gear going up a steep hill. It was amusing in the way of "oh shit! I kinda just blew a load of black smoke in the driver face behind me". Obviously, I don't do this deliberately.

> it is a middle finger towards people they perceive to be preachy

Incredibly childish. "I hate you for saying we should have a cleaner environment, so I will intentionally pollute the environment!"

> I accidentally "rolled coal"

There is no accidentally rolling coal. You just had shitty emissions. Coal rolling is intentional, and requires a special tune at the very least.

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Post by rootusrootus »

StarGrit wrote: post #323
eesmith wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? > Who said anything about riding a bicycle is preachy? People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. > In my case it was Your accidental and short release of dark exhaust caused by driving an old vehicle does not fit th…

> Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? What are you on about? I prefaced my post quite clearly. This is nonsense. > People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't m…

> Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter.

I reiterate my earlier comment about it being childish. "You look like someone I should hate, so I am going to fuck with you in particular."

Oh the irony in these same people being quite fond of claiming it's everyone else that's the emotional snowflake.

> Other than it not being deliberate it was "rolling coal". To get the black soot you need to just have poor combustion of a diesel.

No. Rolling coal requires injecting vastly more fuel and making the mixture far richer than even the worst possible factory tune.

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Post by jpster »

hamdingers wrote: post #150
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

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I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. This can't be it. I was in high school when smartphones were coming out and there was zero tolerance for them or any other electronic devices (dumbphones, ipods, palm pilots, etc) in the classroom. I don't know when or why it happened but allowing smartphones in school was a conscious choice and a policy change.

Well, in the era of school shootings, some parents argued that a phone could be a literal lifeline to their kids and a way to say their last goodbyes if the worst happened. It doesn’t really stand up when you compare the likelihoods of a school shooting (rare) to phone-induced educational and social regressions (almost certain). But it was an evocative argument and it worked to a large degree.

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Post by eesmith »

StarGrit wrote: post #323
eesmith wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? > Who said anything about riding a bicycle is preachy? People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. > In my case it was Your accidental and short release of dark exhaust caused by driving an old vehicle does not fit th…

> Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? What are you on about? I prefaced my post quite clearly. This is nonsense. > People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't m…

> you are defined by those members

Hence, all drivers are defined by those who roll coal on cyclists and pedestrians for the lulz. Got it.

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Post by 1718627440 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #326
1718627440 wrote: post #79

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Have you never been to a room full of people/children? If there aren't these 'control freaks' in the room, then it gets louder and louder until to the limit where nobody can understand anything while all are shouting. It's surprisingly fast, about ~2 minutes to the maximum/stable loudness. This 'control freaks' are the requirement to allow children to have a conversation.

Properly treated rooms make a big difference for this. When the walls are painted concrete and the ceilings are unfinished this happens almost immediately; when the walls and ceilings are acoustically treated, it's much better. (Carpet makes it even better, but I would definitely not recommend carpeting a school lunchroom).

And room height! Old buildings had almost double of the room height than new buildings.

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Post by justinclift »

mrguyorama wrote: post #309
justinclift wrote: post #134

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> the higher fraud claim is just false and probably a lie, ask me how I know! How do you know? :)

Our business is one of the most straightforward ways to turn a stolen credit card into usable money for a fraudster. I know what our fraud rates are. At no point has any payment processor cared at all about a payment flow with high fraud. At most, they will charge us a tiny bit more money to service those transactions. Credit Card companies do not care about chargebacks, as long as you don't substantially hurt consum…

> there is a fundamentalist religious organization formerly known as Media Matters

Looking at the wikipedia article you linked to, it doesn't have "Media Matters" mentioned anywhere on the page.

Why do you feel they're the same crowd?

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Post by StarGrit »

rootusrootus wrote: post #332
StarGrit wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? What are you on about? I prefaced my post quite clearly. This is nonsense. > People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't m…

> Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter. I reiterate my earlier comment about it being childish. "You look like someone I should hate, so I am going to fuck with you in particular." Oh the irony in these same people being quite fond of claiming it's everyone else that's the emotional snowflake. > Other than it not being deliberate it was "rolling coal". To…

> I reiterate my earlier comment about it being childish. "You look like someone I should hate, so I am going to fuck with you in particular."

I agree. However if the most vocal members of the group come off preachy, self entitled etc. at best people are going to be ambivalent towards you and at worst straight off hostile.

> Oh the irony in these same people being quite fond of claiming it's everyone else that's the emotional snowflake.

It is often pot and kettle. I am not in the US and don't care about stupid culture war bs. I see both as equally ridiculous.

> No. Rolling coal requires injecting vastly more fuel and making the mixture far richer than even the worst possible factory tune.

This is exactly what happened. Someone has messed with the fuel pump (before I owned it) and/or the throttle cable isn't adjusted properly.

So all intents and purposes the effect was the same. That is why the vehicle is in the garage. I don't like having a vehicle that isn't running properly.

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Post by StarGrit »

eesmith wrote: post #334
StarGrit wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? What are you on about? I prefaced my post quite clearly. This is nonsense. > People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't m…

> you are defined by those members Hence, all drivers are defined by those who roll coal on cyclists and pedestrians for the lulz. Got it.

Yes, In some people minds that is the case. Do you think that is a big own on me? I agree, those guys shouldn't be doing that because they look like idiots.

However at the same time I understand the attitude. The fact that I understand an attitude doesn't mean I condone it.

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Post by JJMcJ »

JJMcJ wrote: post #46
IAmBroom wrote: post #12

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Yes, the president of the student-elected body of mostly-powerless "school government."

The student-elected body is often called the Student Council. Sometimes each grade level will have a class president. Varies from school to school for the details.

Can't edit so I'll reply: This is in the United States.

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Post by kj4211cash »

1659447091 wrote: post #197
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

> I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves. I was trying to relate, and thinking until around 7th grade school lunch was a pretty awful lonely experience. But then remembered 2nd/3rd year of middle school finding the other outcast that somehow came together as our own little group of enterprising odd-balls.…

This looks a lot like my childhood. I would guess most of us were popular-group rejects, latch key kids. Pencil fighting, paper football, exploring nearby creeks, (poorly) playing guitar for one another, gossiping in each other's basements, etc. Great times!
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