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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by vkou »

_yb2s wrote: post #246
FireBeyond wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much so. There's multiple videos of them standing in Walmart parking lots and as shoppers walk out with their carts, anyone vaguely Hispanic is being questioned. "Where were you born? Are you American?" Probable cause is out the window. This is, firsthand, Steven Millers White America policy starting to take effect.

I expected a lot more pushback on here for calling this out as terrorism than I got… I took a several month hiatus from this site and before I left it was all “you’re just being hyperbolic, Trump is just going to enforce the immigration laws exactly as written.” It seems that nearly all of those people have rethought their opinions in light of recent events- which I guess/hope bodes well for the chances of our countr…

They've pivoted to "Well, we don't agree with everything he does, but we still support him."

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Post by vkou »

_yb2s wrote: post #313
mindslight wrote: post #305

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As a libertarian, I had given Republicans the benefit of the doubt figuring they earnestly wanted freedom, but were just terrible at understanding the details of how their freedom gets taken away. But I still had figured that conservatism actually meant something - trusting institutions / "the system", believing America is a force for good in the world, slow measured change, etc. But the point we've arrived at, with…

I'm coming from the same basic perspective as you describe, and always tried hard to see people in the best light and sympathize with their concerns, but am no longer finding that possible in this situation, and it is disheartening. The only explanation for the core MAGA supporters that I can come up with is that it is a sort of loose coalition of people that feel disaffected and judged by society for various reasons…

It turns out that the 'basket of deplorables' was, in fact, calling a spade a spade.

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Post by mindslight »

vkou wrote: post #332
_yb2s wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm coming from the same basic perspective as you describe, and always tried hard to see people in the best light and sympathize with their concerns, but am no longer finding that possible in this situation, and it is disheartening. The only explanation for the core MAGA supporters that I can come up with is that it is a sort of loose coalition of people that feel disaffected and judged by society for various reasons…

It turns out that the 'basket of deplorables' was, in fact, calling a spade a spade.

I'm not really a fan of Hillary Clinton and I thought that comment was a bit ham-fisted at the time, but as it turns out she's been thoroughly vindicated.

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Post by seitanist »

dragonwriter wrote: post #145
ASalazarMX wrote: post #129

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That conservatism (including fascism) foundationally rests on something that involves explicitly unequal standards does not mean that every hypocrite is a conservative, correct. (p implies q) does not imply (q iimplies p). Also, though, a lot of groups with some degree of leftist rhetoric are substantially right-wing hierarchy-promoting groups (even promoting fascist-style leader-centric structures) that are simply t…

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Post by t0bia_s »

sowbug wrote: post #165
evanjrowley wrote: post #83

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Legal action against this is going to be a tough, possibly unfeasable battle. Whatever the laws are, they probably contain exceptions for the use of biometrics for law enforcement purposes. In terms of court precedent, biometrics are not protected by the 4th amendment, because your face is not considered a secret that the government could compel you to reveal.

Question for a future (2026?) dystopia: if our faces aren't secret or private for 4A/5A purposes, can we start making them secret/private by walking around in public with a balaclava? New norms go both ways.

What about using technology to scan and identify faces of those who oppress?

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Post by lawn »

clawr wrote: post #286
lawn wrote: post #186

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> the person is an alien The dehumanizing language is absolutely disgusting and it's use is an important milestone towards genocide.

Alien has been the legal term since the beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Resurrecting obscure rasistic terminology from 200 years ago isn't much of an excuse.

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Post by robocat »

lawn wrote: post #186
fabian2k wrote: post #24

The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

> the person is an alien The dehumanizing language is absolutely disgusting and it's use is an important milestone towards genocide.

It is often the case that a "good" word is used, and then the derogatory secondary meanings grow.

Years ago special needs was a fairly safe term, yet now "speshul" definitely has different tone. I'm sure you know if many other examples (I can think of heaps). I predict that "delayed" will become derogatory.

I think that banning words is literally dumb. I am bit older and went through the Politically Correct putsh. Disclaimer: I'm a lefty.

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Post by willis936 »

parineum wrote: post #306
willis936 wrote: post #127

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It makes more sense when you frame it as "party of shameless self interest and racial stratification acts in shameless self interest while racially stratifying". You can draw a straight line back to even before the US civil war of the anti-federalists using their station to undermine the republic and liberties it stands for.

Frankly, I don't think this is a party thing. Our elected officials are mostly party line. There are a few who have actual ideals that they adhere to but the rest of them are weather vanes. You basically have to be a party loyalist to get campaign funds so, unless you can self fund, you gotta toe the line.

Party probably wasn't the best word to use there. I didn't mean it as in the discrete political entity, but more of the amorphous group. The color of the hat doesn't matter as much as what they believe in.

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Post by slavak »

mindslight wrote: post #112
xeonmc wrote: post #101

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This reality feels like someone had their monkey paw wish granted. “I wish I could play Wolfenstein in real life.”

In Wolfenstein, the main character shot Nazi soldiers. It was made back when we had shared societal values like fascism is bad. Today, such a game would be called a product of tHe rAdIcAl lEfT.

This has unironically already happened.

https://www.mic.com/articles/185045/wolfenstein-ii-nazi-kill...

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