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EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by cyfex »

adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

> Greek being the only Hellenic one

Are there really any other Hellenic languages besides Greek?

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by jimbokun »

mjburgess wrote: post #300
jimbokun wrote: post #280

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Yes, and this all but guarantees that Europe will stay behind USA and China in their technology capabilities.

What are these capabilities? I don't see any sense in which the EU has fewer capabilities. It has, say, a smaller number of businesses with smaller market dominance. It isnt clear to me what capability the EU would gain by having a monopolist social network, a monopolist search engine, a monopolist advertising trader

Europe has all of those things, they just come from the US.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by nutjob2 »

loandbehold wrote: post #299
tensor wrote: post #112

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I'd use a model trained on a targeted and curated data set over one trained on all the crap on the internet any day.

I keep hearing that LLMs are trained on "Internet crap" but is it true? For instance we know from Anthropic copyright case that they scanned millions of books to make a training set. They certainly use Internet content for training but I'm sure it's curated to a large degree. They don't just scrap random pages and feed into LLM.

> I'm sure it's curated to a large degree. They don't just scrap random pages and feed into LLM.

How would they curate it on that scale? Does page ranking (popularity) produce interesting pages for this purpose? I'm skeptical.

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Post by viktorcode »

pembrook wrote: post #248
sherinjosephroy wrote: post #79

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All the models from all the big providers (even the Chinese models!) support all of these languages already. The big win for accessibility has already been won...3 years ago.

I asked a Finnish person how good an answer about the language example from ChatGPT was. It turned out to be a hallucination, a confidently sounding nonsense.

The quality of internet trained models degrade very fast with language material size

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by troupo »

fvdessen wrote: post #315
troupo wrote: post #191

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Levels is engagement farming. Instead of uncritically reposting him you could've gone ahead and read what the cluster is for: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1982927767286231403 Cluster: for public benefit, cutting edge research in biotech, medical, robotics. Levels: I want to create AI photos of people for my AI Slop startup

Unfortunately the AI Slop is probably the most effective way to fund AI research right now

By funding AI slop, you're funding AI slop, not AI research, or, quote, "drive adoption of AI across strategic and public sectors including healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, mobility, manufacturing, construction, agri-food, defence, communications and culture"

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by zhengiszen »

adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

Maltese is derived from dialectical arabic

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by snek_case »

DrNosferatu wrote: post #56

1. It's a nice start, but the EU has to scale to Manhattan Project levels in order to properly compete with the US and China. 2. A credible scale effort for EU own silicon for AI Compute, wouldn't hurt either. 3. And this can only be achieved by vertical integration to combat fragmentation.

2. New state-funded joint venture: EuroNV, pronounced euro-envy.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by pier25 »

troupo wrote: post #326
moffkalast wrote: post #251

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Yep, VCs don't exist here. Plus the absurd starting costs, it's like what, 20k to set up a GmbH?

2.5k EUR in starting capital, and two founders to start a a limited liability company (AB) in Sweden, and a 240 EUR processing fee: https://verksamt.se/starta-foretag/valj-foretagsform/aktiebo... And you register online.

Depends on the country.

Opening a company in Estonia is very cheap but in Spain the manager/CEO needs to be an "autónomo" (like a self-employed tax status). This costs thousands of Euros per year. Something like 2,400-30,000 Euros per year, every year, forever.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by purrcat259 »

runarberg wrote: post #295
purrcat259 wrote: post #16

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I read, write and speak Maltese, AMA if you are curious about the language.

Is there any dialect of Arabic which you can understand without too much effort? How much do you consider Maltese its own language (as opposed to a dialect of Arabic)?

From what I have heard, Lebanese Arabic is the closest, and still pretty far. Passable conversation is possible.

Maltese is definitely its own language. Arabic roots are there (theres a Semitic joke in there ) but it isn't arabic anymore. Its written left to right with a variant of the english alphabet.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by lullu57 »

barrell wrote: post #329
purrcat259 wrote: post #16

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I read, write and speak Maltese, AMA if you are curious about the language.

I recently discovered Maltese existed, and started learning it that day. I find it such an awesome language, and not just because of the letter Ħ I do wonder what natives think and feel about the longevity of their language? What is taught in schools at what ages (assuming English is in the mix somewhere). Is there enough media in Maltese for Malti to go about the moderns at fully in Maltese? It’s shockingly hard to…

Native Maltese speaker here. It is thought in schools alongside English, with both being official national languages. Most people locally, that are not foreign born or immigrants speak the language, and it is used in most households as the main language. But everyone grows up bilingual, as English is essential for most everything else that we do as a nation.
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