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Post by macintux »

lisbbb wrote: post #313
macintux wrote: post #24

I think the most amazing part is that the school doubled down on the mistake by parroting the corporate line. I expect a school to be smart enough to say “Yes, this is a terrible situation, and we’re taking a closer look at the risks involved here.”

Except they never say that.

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.”

> Baltimore County Public Schools echoed the company’s statement in a letter to parents, offering counseling services to students impacted by the incident.

(Emphasis mine)

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Post by selcuka »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #312
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>...its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification. Oh look, a corporation refusing to take responsibility for literally anything. How passe.

> a corporation refusing to take responsibility for literally anything. How passe Versus all the natural people at the highest echelons of our political economic system valiantly taking responsibility for fuckall?

> Versus all the natural people

We can at least hold them responsible.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

selcuka wrote: post #333
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a corporation refusing to take responsibility for literally anything. How passe Versus all the natural people at the highest echelons of our political economic system valiantly taking responsibility for fuckall?

> Versus all the natural people We can at least hold them responsible.

> We can at least hold them responsible

We don’t. (We can also hold corporations responsible. We seldom do.)

The problem isn’t in the form of legal entity fraud and corruption wears.

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Post by [deleted] »

anal_reactor wrote: post #236

The core of the issue is that many Americans do carry weapons which means that whatever the security system, it needs to keep in mind that the suspect might be armed and about to start shooting. This makes the police biased towards escalation because the only way against a shooter is to shoot first. This problem doesn't exist in Europe or Japan because guns aren't that ubiquitous, which means that the police have the…

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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by selcuka »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #334
selcuka wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Versus all the natural people We can at least hold them responsible.

> We can at least hold them responsible We don’t. (We can also hold corporations responsible. We seldom do.) The problem isn’t in the form of legal entity fraud and corruption wears.

Fair enough, but it is much harder to hold a corporation responsible.

Jail is a great deterrent for natural persons.

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Post by ashdksnndck »

HWR_14 wrote: post #319
omnipresent12 wrote: post #101

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https://www2.ljworld.com/news/schools/2025/aug/07/lawrence-s... Another false positive by one of these leading content filters schools use - the kid said something stupid in a group chat and an AI reported it to the school, and the school contacted the police. The kid was arrested, stripped searched, and held for 24 hours without access to their parents or counsel. They ultimately had to spend time in probation, a fu…

> They are suing Gaggle, who claims they never intended their system to be used that way. Is there some legal way to sue a pair of actors (Gaggle and school) then let them sue each other over who has to pay what percentage?

You separately sue everyone that might be liable. Some of the parties you sue might end up suing each other.

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Post by protocolture »

mentalgear wrote: post #18

Ah, the coming age of Palantir's all seeing platform; and Peter Thiel becoming the shadow Emperor. Too bad non-deterministic ml systems are prone to errors that risk lives when applied wrongly to crucial parts of society. But in an authoritarian state, those will be hidden away anyway, so there's nothing to see here: move along folks. Yes, surveillance and authoritarianism go hand in hand, ask China. It's important t…

I dont think a guy who knows so much about the anti christ could be wrong.

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Post by stickfigure »

nomel wrote: post #310
joe_the_user wrote: post #276

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So, are you implying that if humans surveil kids at random and call the SWAT team if a frame in a video seems to imply one kid has a gun, that then it's all OK? Those journalists, just trying to get (unjustified, dude, unjustified!!) emotes from kids being mistakenly held at gun point, boy they are terrible.... They're just covering up how necessary those mistakes are in our pursuit of teh crime...

If security sees someone carrying a gun in surveillance video, on a gun free campus, and policy verify it, then yes, that's justified, by all aspects of the law. There are countless examples of surveillance of illegal activity resulting in police action. Are you suggesting it's not?

Nobody saw a gun in a video. Nobody even saw something that looked like a gun. A chip bag, at most, is going to produce a bulge. No reasonable human is going to look at a kid with a random bulge in their pocket and assume gun. Otherwise we might as well start sending our kids to school naked; this is the kind of paranoia that brought us the McMartin Preschool nonsense.
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