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Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Post by OutOfHere »

GuB-42 wrote: post #316
OutOfHere wrote: post #226

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Something tells me they also use it to order operational side materials, including nuclear gear and materials, from the IT side. To expose this on the internet screams of idiocy.

How are they supposed to contact their suppliers without email? Even for phone calls, they are probably using some kind of VoIP. For sensitive communication, they most likely encrypt and sign their messages on the airgapped side before moving it to the internet facing side and sending it using regular email. Not having internet access at all is like not having your building connected to public roads. That makes it ha…

Thank you for your patience. The document portal and access to it probably should have remained airgapped.

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Post by type0 »

lazide wrote: post #326
dijit wrote: post #322

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I once rejected a job because of Teams; I felt bad/entitled about it though... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30264591

I’m fairly certain I’d deeply regret my life choices if I had to use teams daily. Occasional (mandatory) usage interacting with it for various gov’t usage, etc. has reinforced that view. Why subject yourself to something you know you’ll hate every day if you can avoid it? Is that being entitled? Plenty of people don’t have such choices, sure! If so, who cares? Live your life, make your decisions. Don’t let jealous pe…

Teams client version for Linux was discontinued 2022. Yeah MS loves Linux, in the same way cats love mice.

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Post by lazide »

lucketone wrote: post #290
carlmr wrote: post #278

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Then it's an overcomplicated company size check.

Imagine small startup where ceo knows only windows and small startup where ceo uses linux. Developer’s quality of life might differ.

It absolutely would. I can even tell you what type of laptop/dev equipment you’d likely get.

Hard to say what the actual office environment would end up like (plenty of toxic nerds out there), but I’ve worked for CEOs who were devs, and I even when they were terrible people, I never once hated the development part of the job.

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Post by dijit »

qwertytyyuu wrote: post #328
dijit wrote: post #268

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Equally? Definitely not. Maybe it can be argued that it depends on how you use it, but meet is so far and away better for video calls and screen sharing, its not even funny. Jitsi is also an incredible improvement, and it is self hostable and free. Teams is likely the worst software that a company will force on all its employees- with that in mind, I guess some people can get stockholm syndrome? Some people who only…

It seems you have had the fortune to not have had to suffered through jabber

Oh, I did… I quite liked it actually. :)

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Post by lazide »

pjmlp wrote: post #324
NeutralCrane wrote: post #182

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Google is leaps and bounds preferable in my experience than Microsoft. I agree with the above. A Microsoft shop isn’t a guarantee the company culture is bad, but it’s correlated enough to be a flag.

Until one needs to reach out to support.

G workspaces support has always been at least decent in my experience. MS support, less so.

Oracle support took the cake however, but that was with a commercial support license and a weird bug triggered by a newly released feature (never do that!) in Oracle DB, many years ago. ORA-600 errors for the ‘win’.

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Post by lazide »

terminalshort wrote: post #309
crmd wrote: post #181

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The chairman of my last big company said I was “ungovernable” at one of our last board dinners, so I’m reluctantly inclined to agree with you.

Yeah, when I hear "problem employee" from a higher up I think "I want that guy on my team." Sounds like someone who pisses off management, but is too valuable to fire.

Yup. If they weren’t indispensable, they’d be the ex-employee.

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Post by Balinares »

fujigawa wrote: post #135
crmd wrote: post #94

One of the first things I do after getting an inquiry from a recruiter or friend referral is lookup the MX record for the company’s email domain. It is an anonymous one-command check to see if they’re a Microsoft shop. If they are, it’s enormous personal red flag. MSFT is very popular so I’m only speaking about my own experience, but I have learned over the course of 20 years that an MSFT IT stack is highly correlate…

I'm gonna be honest, you sound like a problem employee. The companies not using Microsoft, are using Google. Which in my experience is equally or measurably worse. Just personal data points, but every avowed Microsoft hater I've ever worked with has been... difficult. Like a-drag-on-the-team-because-he-refuses-to-use-company-tools difficult. Edit: How does an aged post on this site go from +4 to -1 in the span of a f…

My current gig is an MSFT shop and when I joined I was genuinely excited to find out just how far that universe had come in the 20+ years since I last worked in a corp environment that uses it. The Ballmer days are long behind and there's been some genuinely cool stuff coming out of MS since.

I don't think I was ready for how bad it is. Not going to go into an inventory of it all, but I'll admit I genuinely lost it when I discovered that the terminal -- the terminal! -- freezes after staying open several days, and you need to kill it and restart it.

The worst part, I think, is how the brokenness ends up permeating the engineering culture. Malfunction is just normalized. There's no reliability baseline; if it's broken to the point the amount of work you can do is zero, just open a ticket with support, who will add yet another bit of duct tape or just reboot something somewhere and ask you if the problem went away somehow.

I think possibly the coworkers who don't look away from the emperor's non-clothed-ness, and the higher standards that they drive, may be more valuable to have around than you imagine, if you can get past the bad emotions that their lucidity gives you.

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Post by joenot443 »

pjmlp wrote: post #324
NeutralCrane wrote: post #182

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Google is leaps and bounds preferable in my experience than Microsoft. I agree with the above. A Microsoft shop isn’t a guarantee the company culture is bad, but it’s correlated enough to be a flag.

Until one needs to reach out to support.

Google's support for their business clients is considered pretty top of class.

The "Google lacks support" chorus we hear frequently is more associated with their free tier.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

fujigawa wrote: post #135
crmd wrote: post #94

One of the first things I do after getting an inquiry from a recruiter or friend referral is lookup the MX record for the company’s email domain. It is an anonymous one-command check to see if they’re a Microsoft shop. If they are, it’s enormous personal red flag. MSFT is very popular so I’m only speaking about my own experience, but I have learned over the course of 20 years that an MSFT IT stack is highly correlate…

I'm gonna be honest, you sound like a problem employee. The companies not using Microsoft, are using Google. Which in my experience is equally or measurably worse. Just personal data points, but every avowed Microsoft hater I've ever worked with has been... difficult. Like a-drag-on-the-team-because-he-refuses-to-use-company-tools difficult. Edit: How does an aged post on this site go from +4 to -1 in the span of a f…

To be fair, any employee that knows their worth and is not afraid to treat the relationship the same way as the company is a problem for the company ( and thus: 'problem employee' ).

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Post by pjmlp »

joenot443 wrote: post #338
pjmlp wrote: post #324

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Until one needs to reach out to support.

Google's support for their business clients is considered pretty top of class. The "Google lacks support" chorus we hear frequently is more associated with their free tier.

That wasn't my experience on the only project I took part on GCP.
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