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Post by FireBeyond »

hollywood_court wrote: post #285
msie wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police won't even check the address before they raid a place, so I don't think so.

Yep. I used to be a building/remodeling contractor. If I accidentally showed up to the wrong address and demolished the wrong deck, I'd be responsible for making the property owner whole again. If a cop serves a warrant and the wrong address and ends ups murdering a child, that cop will receive sympathy and paid time off.

Yeah, people have (attempted to) sue PDs and cities for even woefully negligent wrong address raids (different street to warrant and documentation), and the courts have happily told them "sucks to be you, they have no requirement to pay for any damage".

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

nbngeorcjhe wrote: post #90

I _hate_ walking down the block and hearing their dumb "Hi! You are being recorded!" jingle. Ffs if you're going to record me at least do it quiely

Me too, but these people probably aren't having their cars pilfered in the middle of the night.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #138

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

Yup! I've had my car stolen and broken into in the past. So I have a rational fear the same thing could happen to my house, so I have a ring system. Out of respect for my neighbors, I'll go the E2EE pathway and make sure my camera isn't tilted towards the road, but I'm not going without cameras again.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #282
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #138

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

I think most people with video door bells just like being able to answer the door when they aren't at home and to see who is there without getting up from the couch

Video door bells are a massive safety feature for people living by themselves.

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Post by FireBeyond »

IAmBroom wrote: post #159
Aurornis wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. Sure, but both construction worker and police officer are significantly more dangerous jobs than most of us here have sitting behind a desk. Obviously it’s not a job where people are dying routinely, but suggesting death or serious injury are the only two risks of interacting with the public and resp…

And nurses have even a more dangerous job. I'm not convinced that being a cop is such a tough job. Most of it is sitting in your car waiting for speeders, or to warn traffic about road construction, or driving around looking for something unusual happening. US courts have determined they don't even have a duty to risk their own lives to save civilians. Kinda the entire purpose of their job's existence, removed. There…

> US courts have determined they don't even have a duty to risk their own lives to save civilians.

Not only "not risk their lives", US courts have ruled they have no duty to act to prevent any crime in progress.

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Post by zrail »

JeremyHerrman wrote: post #284

Unifi G4 Doorbell Pro [0] is a great self-hosted option. I've been very happy with mine over the last year, but I was already bought into the unifi ecosystem with a UDM Pro SE and U6 mesh APs. 0: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-doorbells/collec...

I have a Unifi Protect system and am generally pretty happy with it. The biggest problem I have is similar in spirit to the Ring problem: remote access is required to get push alerts from the mobile app.

Unifi had an issue at the end of 2023 where users could access consoles they didn't own through remote access: https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/15/ubiquiti_camera_priva...

If I (or more specifically my spouse) could work the mobile app without SSO I'd be thoroughly satisfied. As it stands I have some regrets.

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Post by habi »

nerdsniper wrote: post #317
Aachen wrote: post #14

These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…

That doesn't seem to work for me. Can you correct my query/URL? https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=surveillance%3Aty...

The search directly on osm.org is optimzied for address things.

For a "complete" search in the OpenStreetMap-data I suggest [Overpass Turbo](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo).

In this specific case I'd take a little detour over taginfo (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo), e.g. search for `surveillance` (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=surveillance) there. A little bit of clicking (Type > Values > ALPR) leads to https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/surveillance%3Atype=A... If you click on 'Overpass turbo' on the top right, you get to a pre-filled search on Overpass turbo. Scroll the map to the region you want to search (start small), and click 'Run' on the top left.

Voila.

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Post by immibis »

newsclues wrote: post #29
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

History also teaches us about communism but so many people refuse to accept that part of history and romance it. So why wouldn’t any accept capitalism and ignore its flaws?

Nobody was talking about communism.
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