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The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by foxglacier »

raincole wrote: post #263
questionableans wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a global level, a more reasonably sized human population is exactly what we need, and a decline in birth rate is the most ethical way to achieve that. We have to find a way to make it work, because otherwise our trajectory takes us beyond the carrying capacity for our planet. There are three things we need to deal with the temporary population imbalance: Older people who remain healthy continuing to work to care f…

There is no sign that we're dealing the problem properly or the society and political environment is prepared for that. Similar to climate change, it might be a solvable problem but (relatively) very little effort has been made collectively. - Older people help each other: it's obvious, but the oldest demographic is not going to be significant healthier than what we see now without a lot of medical breakthroughs. The…

> What we call alt-right now will look center-left the next decade.

Yes and for good reason. Where most immigrants are Muslim, you can end up with enough Muslims to change the laws and society to their ways. That includes sharia law which ironically is itself far-right and diametrically opposite to left-wing ideals.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by foxglacier »

questionableans wrote: post #274
1718627440 wrote: post #249

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Well, there is immigration and there is immigration. There are people that move between similar socialized countries, directly from one high-paying job to the next. Every country wants to have them. Then there are basically refugees, that are only named immigrants, because they happen to flee through another country. They might also have had a well paying job, but they often need to learn the language, they often nee…

It’s undeniably worth investing in immigrants, including refugees. Rhetoric otherwise is just veiled racism. These people already exist. It’s our duty to take care of them as global citizens, just like it’s our duty to care for the elderly and others. I also think you’d be surprised how little time to pay off would actually be needed. Give people a calm space and community (including their friends and family), and we…

> just veiled racism

Instead of using a thought-terminating insult, think about why people veil their racism, and why they have it. Different races are intrinsically different and some of those differences are harmful to society. You're probably shocked hearing this but most people are too scared to say it because the group will punish them so we end up with people like you somehow actively oblivious to reality.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by DrewADesign »

Veedrac wrote: post #324
DrewADesign wrote: post #51

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> A refusal to even acknowledge that AI might work isn't a very sensible refutation of the risks we're going to face. That's probably why they're not doing that. The core premise-- we will rely on AI so much that we will de-skill ourselves-- requires acknowledging that AI works.

The intro to the article explicitly states that it will put aside any fanciful ideas that the technology might be better in the future; that "rather than try to forecast the future as it might turn out, I’d prefer to describe reality as it already exists". The article acknowledges that AI progress to date has worked. It snidely disagrees without argument that AI the field could work from here on out.

saying it won’t improve isn’t saying that it won’t work. My car isn’t going to improve in the future, but my car will work in the future. They’re just two different things.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by kobenni »

skydhash wrote: post #89
mcny wrote: post #83

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I started programming before stack overflow, was never any good (still am not to this day), but I was always scared of asking questions on stack overflow. I felt like there was a certain amount of homework expected when you ask a question and usually by the time I did enough work to post a question, it was moot because I would have solved my problem usually by stringing together two or more stack overflow questions t…

I can't check, but I don't think I've ever asked questions on StackOverflow, or even Reddit. Maybe I'm lucky, but my searches have always given me enough leads to find my own solutions or where to find them. There's a lot of documentations and tips floating around the internet. And for a lot of technologies, the code is available as well (or a debugger).

Maybe those are two sides of the same coin, question-askers are treated harshly because the priority of the site isn't to help them, the priority is to help the people who are searching up similar questions and browsing the threads. It makes perfect sense from a business perspective, because for every question-asker you'll have many more question-browsers.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by crazygringo »

legacynl wrote: post #318
crazygringo wrote: post #209

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Believe me, it didn't. Planning routes isn't exactly rocket science. There's not much to learn. It just takes a lot of time. It's busywork.

Although you're not learning any 'facts' or 'methods' you are training your 'sense of direction'. It's harder to put into words what this actually entails, but it is certainly a skill that you're getting better at the more you train it.

I know what you mean, but I'm being honest when I say it didn't.

I'm just lucky in that I've always had a sense of direction ever since I was little. It's not a skill I've ever had to develop. There's nothing to "get better at". Some people just seem to be born with it, and I got lucky.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by erichocean »

hyc_symas wrote: post #320
erichocean wrote: post #306

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That was my plan, but I haven't yet--the fix was in my renamed code and I haven't put in the work to make it correspond to the original code. But here's the commit message, maybe you can see it easily: Fix: Use correct stack index when adjusting cursors in mdb_cursor_del0 In `mdb_cursor_del0`, the second cursor adjustment loop, which runs after `mdb_rebalance`, contained a latent bug that could lead to memory corrupt…

Thanks for that. It doesn't look like there is an open bug report for this yet. I understand your commit description but I'm still a bit puzzled by it. cursor_to_update shouldn't have a deeper stack than cursor, even if it was a cursor on a subdatabase. All the references to the subdatabase are in the subcursor, and that has no bearing on the main cursor's stack. The original code with the bug was added for ITS#8406,…

> Fixed now in ITS#10396.

Thanks, appreciated.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by 1718627440 »

questionableans wrote: post #315
1718627440 wrote: post #305

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> It’s undeniably worth investing in immigrants, including refugees. It’s our duty to take care of them as global citizens, just like it’s our duty to care for the elderly and others. These are different things. Yes we are required to provide the resources needed for life to refugees as well as to the elderly. That doesn't automatically mean that this is a worthy investment. What dividends do you intend to get from a…

Letting people who want to immigrate do so instead of pressuring people who don’t want to have kids do so is not slavery. If we can’t get our act together and help each other out while living within our planet’s means, what kind of life are we even offering to future generations?

So I shouldn't complain about someone putting bombs one your house, because you surely want to immigrate?

> instead of pressuring people

This is somewhat orthogonal.

> people who don’t want to have kids

Some people also don't want to and don't pay taxes.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by 1718627440 »

foxglacier wrote: post #332
questionableans wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s undeniably worth investing in immigrants, including refugees. Rhetoric otherwise is just veiled racism. These people already exist. It’s our duty to take care of them as global citizens, just like it’s our duty to care for the elderly and others. I also think you’d be surprised how little time to pay off would actually be needed. Give people a calm space and community (including their friends and family), and we…

> just veiled racism Instead of using a thought-terminating insult, think about why people veil their racism, and why they have it. Different races are intrinsically different and some of those differences are harmful to society. You're probably shocked hearing this but most people are too scared to say it because the group will punish them so we end up with people like you somehow actively oblivious to reality.

Thanks, but keep in mind that not every discrimination based on race is automatically racism.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by selinkocalar »

dagmx wrote: post #85

Atrophy has really been an issue in my recent hiring cycles for good senior engineers. 80% of senior candidates I interview now aren’t able to do junior level tasks without GenAI helping them. We’ve had to start doing more coding tests to weed their skill set out as a result, and I try and make my coding tests as indicative of our real work as possible and the work they current do. But these people are struggling to…

This is a real concern. We use AI for a lot of our development work now and I've noticed people will be less likely to dig deep into problems before asking Claude.

The trick is using AI to handle the grunt work while still maintaining the critical thinking skills. But it's so easy to slip into autopilot mode.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Post by r_singh »

r_singh wrote: post #81

AI is essentially a puppet and will always be one. If you rely on it to educate yourself about anything non-objective (that cannot be measured), it will reflect the biases it’s tuned to, presenting a version of reality shaped by the perspectives and interests of its ultimate puppet masters—the board and major (non-futile) shareholders.

Actually this isn’t entirely true! I was too cynical. It actually does understand the user’s PoV.
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