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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Google is making it so sideloading APKs on Android is no longer possible. This is one of many great reasons why that should not happen.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/09/lets-talk-...

A government probably wouldn't have to push very hard for Google to revoke a dev's signing key, blocking apps signed with that key. So I don't see a difference. Technically sideloading will be possible, but Google will still have control of what apps can run on devices.

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Why are people so obsessed about apps. could be a website that couldn’t easily be taken down.

You can't send a push notification without a certificate that apple controls from a website. Push notifications seem to be key here so that you don't have the constantly open the app/webpage.

They could send a message instead (sms, email, etc) which then can be configured to pop up as a notification.

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Why are people so obsessed about apps. could be a website that couldn’t easily be taken down.

this is what I dont understand. so many apps are almost website-like in functionality, and you can save a shortcut to the desktop / main screen and it will launch / look like an app. complete with notifications (if enabled). What's the barrier? (another poster mentioned not knnowing anything outside of the appstore, but then "Share -> Add to Home screen" is a pretty damn simple flow.

You would be surprised, I have never seen anyone who doesn't work in tech in my life who even knows that this is an option.

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Yeah, we should just ironically lean into it even harder and call it “backdooring”. Jokes aside, when has pandering to people to change the status quo of colloquial word use ever worked?

Well, obviously changing "installing software" to "sideloading" worked somehow.

25+ years and it's a bit of variation on the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading

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It could be replaced with a fucking web app if they built it properly the first time around.

Do you know a good way to do geofencing on PWAs? I'm not saying you can't, but I don't know of any API that can accomplish that (without constantly running GPS location updates in the browser, which no standard phone will allow).

Maybe have the app server contact a service that knows the user's location? You can probably somehow get the user's location on Google Maps, or Find My. Or... I don't know, Yelp check-ins with a particular hashtag?...

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I don't see the problem. It was an app specifically developed to help people evade American law and attack people who work for the government, how is it a shock that they took it down?

Same. This app was specifically used to incite violence against law enforcement.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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I'd love for all tech reviewers at future product launches to go: "Yeah cool new iPads thanks... why did you guys block and remove an app that wasn't illegal? One that helped people know if armed forces that could search them and tear apart their homes were in the area?". Just refuse to report on or post about new product launches without mentioning it. Press is an large thing for Apple. Multiple times now they've on…

Yeah but the press has to make money. They don't want to lose access, ultimately most of them want to be PR contractors for big companies Getting people off of for-profit news would be great, though I admit it's a blue sky proposal

Yeah most companies want good PR for access. Apple takes this to the extreme where the first whiff of negatives things to say and you're cut off. Now you won't get invited to events or given devices early. So you'll have to wait until release and buy it yourself. Then take the time to review a device. By that point most people have already seen the other coverage and made up their mind. So you will get very little motion which translates to income.

These corporations have effectively built their own club of chosen mouthpieces who are willing to excuse negatives about a product to make money.

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> to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement. No, they continued to allow police location apps (Google maps will even tell you where they are). The language they added to the app store rules were very specific: "Apps may only display DUI checkpoints that are published by law enforcement agencies, and should never encourage drunk driving or other reckless behavior such as excessive speed." Whether o…

What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints? I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

>What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints?

When Churchill made that famous quip about the "average voter" he was talking about the kind of people who complain out of one side of their mouth about law enforcement going hard on a particular class of laws they don't like while stating out the other that anyone who doesn't want to submit to a papers-please stop on the pretext of catching people engaged in a fairly common misdemeanor that they do want to see hard enforcement on is abetting said misdemeanor.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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This is the problem with the modern "app" way of doing things. This sort of thing would be best handled as a website so that users need not run specific software on thier phones. Reports can come in as basic emails parsed for a lat/long or grid. Then a kml file can be pushed as needed to a basic web-facing map. The bandwidth would be minimal and very resistant to shutdown. Heck, share the kml files via torrents or pu…

Website can't provide notification on iOS. You may find workaround but that would be either expensive or under Apple's control. This use-case without notifications is quite useless.

It can just fine

https://www.mobiloud.com/blog/pwa-push-notifications

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #336

I don't see the problem. It was an app specifically developed to help people evade American law and attack people who work for the government, how is it a shock that they took it down?

Same. This app was specifically used to incite violence against law enforcement.

You need to be careful, the word "incite" does not mean what you think it does here.

Maybe the app enabled violence against law enforcement - but Waymo does that too by telling you where traffic cops are. Or Google Maps and Yellow Pages for documenting the location of police stations. Undercover officers, ICE or otherwise, aren't given any special exemptions to the law here.

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