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Re: Sora 2

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Post by sigbottle »

Mariehane wrote: post #174
artursapek wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also my thesis. The internet is going to be saturated with AI slop indiscernible from real content. Once it reaches a tipping point, there will no longer be much of a reason to consume the content at all. I think social networks that can authenticate video/photo/text content as human-created will be a major trend in a few years.

But then you’re creating an incentive for the AI slop to become so realistic it is indistinguishable from actual video. Unless there some fundamental, technical way to distinguish the two, I wonder who would win?

I regularly get AI movie recaps on my shorts and I just eat it up.

The very fact that I (or billions of others) waste time on shorts is an issue. I don't even play games anymore, it's just shorts. That is a concerning rewiring of the brain :/

Guess what I`m trying to say is that, there is a market out there. It's not pretty, but there certainly is.

Will keep trying to not watch these damn shorts...

Re: Sora 2

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Post by FergusArgyll »

cubefox wrote: post #317
FergusArgyll wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally love Monet, he's not for everyone, I know, but I'm sure you can find some art you appreciate

You probably don't personally love AI generated impressionist content.

No, but there's some stuff that are really creative. Ironically I think the reason I'm more positive about it is because I only encounter AI generated (non-text media) ~ once a week / 2 weeks.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by [deleted] »

ch4s3 wrote: post #293
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

That seems like an awful use of technology like this. I would imagine they mean to use that for serving ads, but how do you even generate conversations with ai slop plus product placements? I could see it working sometimes but I doubt it scales.

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Re: Sora 2

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Post by martin-t »

martin-t wrote: post #187
kossTKR wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that is dark, after Ghiblis staunch stance on AI. These companies and their shareholders really are complete scum in my eyes, just like AI in miltech. Not because the tech isn't super interesting but because they steal years of hard work and pain from actual artists with zero compensation - and then they brag about it in the most horrible way possible, with zero empathy. Then comes losing the little humanity left…

Power creates more power, money creates more money. Communism is tossing the frog into boiling water (tens millions of dead), capitalism is boiling it slowly (poor people in first world countries might not afford a dentist but they're not starving yet). We need a system that rewards work - human time and competence. There are really only 2 resources in the world - natural resources and human time. Everything else is…

56 minutes, 4 downvotes, HN is truly full of temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Does anybody here really think rich people deserve to just get richer faster than any working person can? Does anybody really believe that buying up homes and companies and raking in money for doing absolutely nothing is what we should be rewarding?

Then put your name behind it.

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Post by dragonwriter »

minimaxir wrote: post #278
oulipo2 wrote: post #261

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The Sora 2 system card claims Sora can resist generations of "political persuasion". https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/50d5973c-c4ff-4c2d-986f-c72b5d0ff...

> The Sora 2 system card claims Sora can resist generations of "political persuasion".

To actually do that, it would need to have the evolving contextual knowledge of current events and the reasoning power to be able to identify prompts which, when requested, would likely have use in political persuasion, which would be a bigger breakthrough in AI than anything they are promoting.

Conclusion: it can’t actually meaningfully do that, though it will probably reject some subset of prompts involving topics pre-identified to it as politically sensitive.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

layman51 wrote: post #285
artursapek wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also my thesis. The internet is going to be saturated with AI slop indiscernible from real content. Once it reaches a tipping point, there will no longer be much of a reason to consume the content at all. I think social networks that can authenticate video/photo/text content as human-created will be a major trend in a few years.

I have no clue if the reactions are real, but there are some videos online of people showing their grandparents gameplay from Grand Theft Auto games trying to convince them that it is real footage. The point of the videos is to laugh at their reactions where they question if it really happened, etc. Maybe this will result in something similar, but it can affect more people who aren’t as wary.

Heh, fast forward a few years and nobody’s surprised anymore when someone falls for a video which is the result of two sentences long instruction.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by LarsDu88 »

I really hope they have more granular APIs around this.

One use case I'm really excited about is simply making animated sprites and rotational transformations of artwork using these videogen models, but unlike with local open models, they never seem to expose things like depth estimation output heads, aspect ratio alteration, or other things that would actually make these useful tools beyond shortform content generation.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by notatoad »

neilv wrote: post #327

> And we're introducing Cameo, giving you the power to step into any world or scene, and letting your friends cast you in theirs. How much are they (and providers of similar tools) going to be able to keep anyone from putting anyone else in a video, shown doing and saying whatever the tool user wants? Will some only protect politicians and celebrities? Will the less-famous/less-powerful of us be harassed, defamed, ex…

it seems like this is basically youtube's ContentID, but for your face. as long as you upload your "cameo" aka facial scan to them, they can recognize and control the generation of videos with it. if you don't give them your face, then they can't/won't.

"Consent-based likeness. Our goal is to place you in control of your likeness end-to-end with Sora. We have guardrails intended to ensure that your audio and image likeness are used with your consent, via cameos. Only you decide who can use your cameo, and you can revoke access at any time. We also take measures to block depictions of public figures (except those using the cameos feature, of course). Videos that include your cameo—including drafts created by other users—are always visible to you. This lets you easily review and delete (and, if needed, report) any videos featuring your cameo. We also apply extra safety guardrails to any video with a cameo, and you can even set preferences for how your cameo behaves—for example, requesting that it always wears a fedora."

Re: Sora 2

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Post by echelon »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I posit this is the real story.

OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition.

This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs.

OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offer $20/mo consumers.

- - - - -

EDIT:

Oh my god, OpenAI literally just disrupted TikTok:

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973071380842229781

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973122324984693113

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973121891926942103

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973120058907041902 (potentially dangerous ... )

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973111654524264763

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973090475486879818

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973110596825653720 (is this the same model? It doesn't look like it.)

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973096194508251321

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973086729281347650

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973088038851932522 (this is truly something only kids will love)

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973087595967201449

https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973077105903620504

Holy shit!

This is 100% the future of what kids will do. This is incredible for short form vertical video.

It doesn't need to look good, it just needs to let you tell incredible stories with people and things you care about.

This is way better than Meta's social video app.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by martin-t »

Legend2440 wrote: post #276
kossTKR wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that is dark, after Ghiblis staunch stance on AI. These companies and their shareholders really are complete scum in my eyes, just like AI in miltech. Not because the tech isn't super interesting but because they steal years of hard work and pain from actual artists with zero compensation - and then they brag about it in the most horrible way possible, with zero empathy. Then comes losing the little humanity left…

The Miyzaki quote is out of context, he isn't talking about generative AI but rather a 2016 animation of a creepy zombie whose limbs are controlled by AI.

While this is true, it's hard to imagine people spending years perfecting the style would be happy to see it copied effortlessly without any compensation while people who made the copying possible are rolling in cash.

This is not just about copyright infringement or plagiarism.

Automatically generating text, images and videos based on training data and a tiny prompt is fundamentally about taking someone's work and making money off of it without giving anything in return.

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