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Re: Kagi News

#331

Kagi, I'm willing to pay if you hire people to fact check the generated articles. Or maybe have the community fact check and visually distinguish checked sentences from unchecked sentences.

Or just let an advanced model do extended research on each article

Re: Kagi News

#332

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Maybe they should be trained on the understanding that making up a source is not "doing what you ask of them" when you ask for a source. It's actually the exact opposite of the "doing what you asked, not what you wanted" trope-- it's providing something it thinks you want instead of providing what you asked for (or being honest/erroring out that it can't).

Think for a second about what that means... this is a very easy thing to do IFF we already had a general purpose intelligence. How do you make an LLM understand that it must only give factual sources? Just some naive RL with positive reward on the correct sources and negative reward on incorrect sources is not enough -- there are obscenely many more hallucinated sources possible, and the set of correct sources is a s…

"Easy". You make the model distinguish between information and references to information. Information may be fabricated (for example, a fictional book is mostly composed of lies) but references are assumed to be factual (a link does point to something and is related to something). Factual information is true only to the degree that it is conveyed exactly, so the model needs to be able to store and reproduce references verbatim.

Of course, "easy" is in quotes because none of this is easy. It's just easier than AGI.

Re: Kagi News

#333

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Several sections have Trump in the headline. I wish there was a way to block that word like I do in Lemmy. That guy monopolizes the headlines which only makes him more powerful, and annoys me. I'll see whether I can take this when I use this new app, which I otherwise think is great.

It is possible to block news by keywords, see settings (I believe in the web app currently only)

Haha if you block Politics, Sports, Celebrity News and Crypto there are no news in the USA section for me

Re: Kagi News

#334

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I used Kagi search for awhile but eventually switched back to google because Kagi location aware search sucks. It might be better nowadays. I’ve been living on their browser Orion for a few weeks now though and it’s great. It works about 90% of the time which is impressive for a browser that isn’t tested alongside the big 4

What do you mean 90%? Orion is WebKit under the hood, so any failures would be surprising.

Clearly there is divergence. Examples that I run into on a daily basis:

My credit union login does an infinite redirect on login. Works fine on Chrome (and all other major browsers)

Perplexity on the mobile version web search entirely broken. Loops with some error and becomes unresponsive. Works fine on safari.

Many other random stuff breaks at least a few times per day usually from login redirects and authentication. Extensions like 1Password have autofill only working some of the time. The list goes on

Re: Kagi News

#335

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Yes, that's what it is. Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist, so you may be fundamentally at odds with them here... If it lessens the issue for you, the sources of each item are cited properly in every example I tried, so maybe you could treat it as a fancy link aggregator

Hard pass then. I’m a happy Kagi search subscriber, but I certainly don’t want more AI slop in my life. I use RSS with newsboat and I get mainstream news by visiting individual sites (nytimes.com, etc.) and using the Newshound aggregator. Also, of course, HN with https://hn-ai.org/

You can also convert regular newspapers into RSS feeds! NYTimes and Seattle Times have official RSS feeds, and with some scripting you can also get their article contents.

Re: Kagi News

#336

I really like this! I do wish I could have better control of what languages I'm getting. Right now the option is to either translate everything or nothing. I'd prefer news in their original, untranslated form if it's one of the 4 languages I speak, otherwise translate them to English. I added the category "Israel" and everything was in Hebrew, so I had to set my language to English, but now news in my native Swedish…

That's weird. I set the language to English, but the stories in the Brazil category are still in Portuguese.

There are different settings for interface language and story language. Might it be that your story language is "default" (this appears to mean untranslated) and your interface language is set to English?

Re: Kagi News

#337

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Yes, that's what it is. Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist, so you may be fundamentally at odds with them here... If it lessens the issue for you, the sources of each item are cited properly in every example I tried, so maybe you could treat it as a fancy link aggregator

> Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist Kagi founder here. I am personally not an LLM-optimist. The thing is that I do not think LLMs will bring us to "Star Trek" level of useful computers (which I see humans eventually getting to) due to LLM's fundamentally broken auto-regressive nature. A different approach will be needed. Slight nuance but an important one. Kagi as a brand is building tools in service of its users, no p…

You claimed reading LLM summaries will provide complete understanding. Optimistic would be a charitable description of this claim. And optimism is not limited to the most optimistic.

Re: Kagi News

#338

Feedback (if someone reads it): offer an option to translate everything to English. For example, news from/about Russia are in Russian, and thus I can't meaningfully share them to non-Russians. That's despite the appropriate HTTP header: Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5

Hey, thanks patrakov for trying the app! Users can actually change the content language of the app from Settings. All stories will be automatically translated to their preferred language. When you share a Russian story with a non-russian speaker, they will still be able to read the story in their own set Content Language in the Settings. We're working on improving the UX of language, sharing a story, and more.

I think other people mentioned it already, but ideally I'd like to choose a list of languages to leave them as is, and translate the rest.

For example, I can speak Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese and English. Ideally I would want news in those languages to keep their original text, while translating news in other languages to a target language.

For example, if I set my language as English, Russian news would get translated to English, but Portuguese ones would keep their original text.

Re: Kagi News

#339

Another russian disinfo laundering service.

This aspect matters and there is little comment here on this (other threads on Kagi have raised it). Kagi’s ‘neutral’ stance on politics, their association with Yandex/the Russian state mean this will be interesting to watch. It’s by far the best search I’ve ever used. https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1gvcqua/psa_the_ka...

IIUC, the basis for this claim is that Kagi pays Yandex (a Russian search company) for access to Yandex's image search API. Is that the entirety of their link to Russia? If so, it seems like a stretch to accuse them of being a "Russian disinfo laundering service" (GP's words, not yours), but this is my first time hearing this, so if I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

Re: Kagi News

#340

Trump just said we should use the military on American cities...and it's not reported in Kagi news. That's a showstopper for me.

When? It’s updated once daily and afaik he’s been doing that for months hasn’t he?

It happened this morning at the military gathering: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-preside-over-unusual-...

Here's the Kagi article which potentially could have mentioned this: https://kite.kagi.com/s/8b5ta4

It's unclear to me if any of the source material reported this when the summary was generated, especially since the source articles may have been updated throughout the day.

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