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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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So only snobby elitists get to vote?

yeah damn, i guess that's it. That's the dichotomy. You're either an elitist snobs or a normies. No nuance, no qualification.

I know; we should make being able to vote contingent on understanding the word "nuance". There; now you have the best of both worlds ;)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

I wish Wikipedia would take one for the team, and go dark in the UK. (And I'm in the UK). Wouldn't work with somewhere like China, but the UK might still be capable of being shamed.

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Imgur only has yearly revenues of around $30m. The money they make in the UK specifically likely doesn't justify wasting resources on compliance.

It is an image storage service masquerading as a business. It will be of no loss if it were to fail entirely.

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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We desperately need an Antarctica/Moon style extraterritoriality for the internet. Just tell your citizens that the internet is fair game? Why restrict it to this level and make using the internet the same as having to understand the law in 200 odd countries.

We could start with hosting everything on boats first. It worked for radio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Caroline

Have them all registered to the Principality of Sealand, just to be safe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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I wish Wikipedia would take one for the team, and go dark in the UK. (And I'm in the UK). Wouldn't work with somewhere like China, but the UK might still be capable of being shamed.

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I can't imagine that working for even more than a couple of days. If it did we have much bigger problems than access to Wikipedia and would like be looking at the beginning of civil disobedience and war as I doubt wikipedia would be the only freedom of speech site.

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

So a service like CloudFlare is the Great firewall of the world and CloudFlare can shut you down if you go against their interests as a supranational gatekeeper. Smart thinking Batman.

There are alternatives to cloudflare tho. If the government cuts you off or starts enforcing 24/7 surveillance there's not a lot that can be done other than tossing them out in the next election (if there are elections) or civil disobedience until they renege

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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You are misapropriating. Copyright infrigment can become criminal if you willfully violate it. If you then take earnings from the willful infrigment and launder them, it becomes other crimes. But if you follow the DMCA and qualify for safe harbor, what copyright crime have you commited that would go to criminal? Or to give you another example in backpage the founders where aquitted since the judge could not trace tha…

> But if you follow the DMCA and qualify for safe harbor Yes, it is only possible to qualify for the safe harbor, if you haven’t committed criminal infringement. But, as criminal infringement is not part of the DMCA, following the DMCA has no probative value against accusations of criminal infringement. Criminal infringement means you aren’t qualified for DMCA safe harbor regardless of whether you follow the DMCA, bu…

Backpage is on point as well as the overall point is the same, you cant be liable for crimes related to the inital crime if its not actually a crime. Ie if the gains are not ilgotten, you can't be tried for laundering them.

If you follow the DMCA (e.g., honor takedown notices, register an agent if you’re a platform, and act quickly when notified), your exposure to criminal liability is essentially zero.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

https://dash.cloudflare.com/?to=/:account/:zone/security/sec... (ip.src.country eq "GB") then take action "Block". i know what you mean by a simpler option though

The point the parent is making is that you don’t have to manually keep track of the countries you need to block. You just tell Cloudflare what your website does / what type of laws may be problematic, and Cloudflare manages the blocklist automatically.

Makes a lot of sense actually that it’s surprising they don’t have this yet.

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